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Post by Panda on Aug 7, 2013 23:56:50 GMT 1
01 - Man City 02 - Chelsea 03 - Man Utd 04 - Arsenal 05 - Liverpool 06 - Spurs 07 - Swansea 08 - Norwich 09 - Everton 10 - Fulham 11 - West Ham 12 - Aston Villa 13 - Stoke 14 - Southampton 15 - Cardiff 16 - Newcastle 17 - Sunderland 18 - West Brom 19 - Hull 20 - Palace I don't think my prediction's going to be far off that, particularly the top 6. At the end of last season, I thought Hull might stay up but they haven't done enough to back that up over the summer. I'd probably have Stoke in the bottom 3 rather than West Brom. Still waiting to see where Suarez and Bale end up before posting my predictions.
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Post by Razzle Dazzle on Aug 8, 2013 19:21:22 GMT 1
1 QPR 87 2 Forest 80 3 Leeds 79 4 Reading 78 5/6 Ipswich 74 5/6 Watford 74 7 Bolton 72 8 Bournemouth 69 9 Leicester 68 10 Huddersfield 67 11-13 Brighton 65 11-13 Charlton 65 11-13 Blackpool 65 14-16 Derby 61 14-16 Burnley 61 14-16 Blackburn 61 17/18 Barnsley 60 17/18 Wigan 60 19 Sheffield Wednesday 58 20 Yeovil 57 21 Birmingham 56 22 Middlesbrough 54 23 Millwall 53 24 Doncaster 46/47
Birmingham may miss Redmond more than I realise in which case i'd swap them with Boro. If Thomas Ince leaves Blackpool, and I am surprised he's still there, before the summer transfer window shuts I think they'll probably go down. Im intrigued to know why you have Wigan so low? because I have them to win the league!! Marc-Antoine Fortune and Grant Holt will cause all kinds of problems upfront, Crainey from Blackpool, Perch from Newcastle, Leon Barnett from Norwich and Rogne from Celtic strengthen their defence, Caldwell, Ramis and Boyce are already pretty solid in that area, Scott Carson and Al Habsi in goal. In midfield Chris McCann signed from Burnley and James McClean is on the brink of signing from Sunderland If they can keep most of Beausejour, Espinoza, McArthur, McManaman, Gómez, Maloney, Watson and McCarthy they have a team more than capable of promotion even if they have a few European games
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Post by Tom on Aug 8, 2013 20:09:47 GMT 1
1 QPR 87 2 Forest 80 3 Leeds 79 4 Reading 78 5/6 Ipswich 74 5/6 Watford 74 7 Bolton 72 8 Bournemouth 69 9 Leicester 68 10 Huddersfield 67 11-13 Brighton 65 11-13 Charlton 65 11-13 Blackpool 65 14-16 Derby 61 14-16 Burnley 61 14-16 Blackburn 61 17/18 Barnsley 60 17/18 Wigan 60 19 Sheffield Wednesday 58 20 Yeovil 57 21 Birmingham 56 22 Middlesbrough 54 23 Millwall 53 24 Doncaster 46/47
Birmingham may miss Redmond more than I realise in which case i'd swap them with Boro. If Thomas Ince leaves Blackpool, and I am surprised he's still there, before the summer transfer window shuts I think they'll probably go down. Im intrigued to know why you have Wigan so low? because I have them to win the league!! Marc-Antoine Fortune and Grant Holt will cause all kinds of problems upfront, Crainey from Blackpool, Perch from Newcastle, Leon Barnett from Norwich and Rogne from Celtic strengthen their defence, Caldwell, Ramis and Boyce are already pretty solid in that area, Scott Carson and Al Habsi in goal. In midfield Chris McCann signed from Burnley and James McClean is on the brink of signing from Sunderland If they can keep most of Beausejour, Espinoza, McArthur, McManaman, Gómez, Maloney, Watson and McCarthy they have a team more than capable of promotion even if they have a few European games I was expecting someone to pick up on my placing of Wigan! It's mainly because of Europe, and with the Community Shield this weekend they're going to constantly be playing catch up plus be tired from the European games for the first half of the season. I think that will take its toll, though I admit I've probably overestimated the impact it will have, it maybe assuming they go through to the knockout stages, which is probably unlikely. It is the lowest I would prob put them though. Even if they lose key players I doubt i'd put them lower. Also, because of departures of Kone and Di Santo. Kone would have been great at this level imo and he's a big loss, Holt's arrival just compensates for that for me. I'm not sure how good a signing Fortune is. I think Carson is a good keeper but I must admit I did gloss over their defensive signings because I wasn't sure how good they would be Any positive impact with them I did kind of offset with the departure of Alcaraz, they may miss him. Finally, Owen Coyle is a pretty good appointment, but I don't rate him as highly as Martinez. James McClean obviously I didn't know about that when I did them That's come out of nowhere! When I put updated predictions up at the end of August (I've decided I will, there seems to be significant transfers that have happened just this week) he will push Wigan up.
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Post by Razzle Dazzle on Aug 8, 2013 22:10:37 GMT 1
Clarke seemed to like fortune. He played ahead of lukaku and long in several games. Although his goal scoring was suspect even carlton cole managed almost 20 at that level. I think its a good signing but they have to keep atleast one of mcmanaman or maloney though
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Post by Maximo Mark on Aug 8, 2013 23:37:14 GMT 1
Wigan may have the community shield but they miss the first two rounds of the League Cup so it's not like it adds too much fixture congestion. For me they have by far the best squad in the Championship. If they can keep McCarthy, Maloney and McManaman they'd walk this league without Europe. Even Coyle (who I think is a very overrated and average manager) can't fail to take them to play-offs at a minimum. I'd be happy with a midfield of McCarthy and McArthur behind McManaman, Malanoey and McLean with Watson, Espinosa, Gomez, Beausajour and McCann ass back up if I supported a team aiming for about 10th in the Premier League!
I'm surprised by everyone's placing of Leeds. They've signed three players this summer and were poor last season. McDermott improved them a bit but not by so much they've become automatic promotion candidates. I know I'm probably biased but Mackie, Hobbs, Abdoun, Lichaj and Paterson into a top 8 team is a hell of a lot bigger improvement than Hunt, Smith and Murphy into a top 12 team, yet Leeds seem to be higher in everyone's predictions than Forest.
I predicted West Brom to go down because they ended last season awfully and their summer business has been woeful. Lost almost half their goals in Lukaku and Odemwingie (I assume) and have only signed Anelka (past it, hasn't scored regularly for three years) and Lugano (centre half where they have most quality and cover). Unfortunately I see them struggling all season.
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Post by Panda on Aug 8, 2013 23:49:52 GMT 1
My picking of Leeds was based more on McDermott being at the helm than anything. I certainly believe Forest will be in the mix. I probably would've put Wigan in the top 2 if they weren't in Europe. I just picked Birmingham as a surprise playoff team because there always seems to be one.
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Post by Razzle Dazzle on Aug 9, 2013 10:04:09 GMT 1
Think I had forest in the playoffs and leeds about 8th/9th.
I think leeds under achieved last year and this year have a top manager and still hope to make a few more signings (matty taylor) from west ham likely to be the first as a bid has been accepted. Still I think leeds will finish well below forest points wise. For me top 6 is about as nailed on as its ever been but in what order is the question
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Post by Tom on Aug 9, 2013 17:39:56 GMT 1
Like others my Leeds prediction is also McDermott inspired. From Shireblogger's managerial changes thread their form after his arrival was promotion form (and included a win at Watford on the final day when they had absolutely nothing to play for, in complete contrast to Watford). I actually had them down as being above Forest initially, but as I said in the thread had a nagging gut feeling that it would be Forest winning automatic promotion instead and that Leeds weren't ready yet for Top 2 so adjusted them accordingly. I'm not convinced about Matt Smith and Luke Murphy for a promotion-challenging team, seems a big jump, but maybe i'm biased but I think Noel Hunt is a really good signing. He's about more than goals, his effectiveness as a second striker to the likes of Shane Long, Roberts, even Pog last season to a degree can be easily forgotten and he can also put a shift in down the wing (though not on the left - don't rate him there). Plus he's a good character and role model for a club to have. The only thing he falls down slightly on is his lack of goals. That's the only thing stopping him from being a great player at this level. Reading did also want to keep him, but ultimately he wanted a longer contract, plus the lure of working again with McDermott would have been an added attraction (although that did only come after he announced he was leaving).
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Post by Shireblogger on Aug 17, 2013 8:06:59 GMT 1
1. Chelsea 2. Man Utd 3. Arsenal 4. Man City =========== 5. Tottenham 6. Liverpool =========== 7. West Ham 8. Swansea 9. WBA 10. Newcastle 11. A Villa 12. Everton 13. Cardiff 14. Fulham 15. Southampton 16. Norwich 17. Sunderland =========== 18. C Palace 19. Stoke 20. Hull
1. Wigan 2. Watford ============= PO Nottingham Forest
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Post by raliverpool on Aug 17, 2013 12:59:44 GMT 1
A bit difficult before to predict as things could change before the transfer window but as of now:
01 Man City 02 Man Utd 03 Chelsea 04 Arsenal
05 Tottenham 06 Liverpool 07 Everton 08 Swansea 09 West Ham 10 A Villa 11 WBA 12 Newcastle 13 Fulham 14 Southampton 15 Cardiff 16 Sunderland 17 Norwich
18 Stoke 19 Hull 20 C Palace
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Post by raliverpool on Aug 17, 2013 13:16:23 GMT 1
Lower Leagues Promotion & Relegation:
Championship:
01 QPR 02 Watford PO N Forest (I hope for my brother's sake but I'll be surprised if they fail to reach the Play Offs)
22 Barnsley 23 Millwall 24 Yeovil
I really hope Brighton go down after the way they treated their former manager.
League 1:
01 Wolves 02 Peterborough PO Sheff Utd
21 Swindon 22 Carlisle 23 Shrewsbury 24 Stevenage
League 2:
01 Fleetwood 02 Oxford 03 Chesterfield PO Burton
23 Accrington 24 Dagenham & Redbridge
Conference Premier
01 Forest Green PO Cambridge
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Post by Panda on Aug 17, 2013 14:16:55 GMT 1
Premier League: 1. Man City 2. Man Utd 3. Chelsea 4. Arsenal 5. Liverpool 6. Tottenham (if Bale goes) 7. Everton 8. Aston Villa 9. West Ham 10. Swansea 11. Norwich 12. Fulham 13. West Brom 14. Newcastle 15. Southampton 16. Cardiff 17. Sunderland 18. Stoke 19. Crystal Palace 20. Hull
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Post by suedehead on Aug 17, 2013 15:05:11 GMT 1
Lower Leagues Promotion & Relegation: Championship: 01 QPR 02 Watford PO N Forest (I hope for my brother's sake but I'll be surprised if they fail to reach the Play Offs) 22 Barnsley 23 Millwall 24 Yeovil I really hope Brighton go down after the way they treated their former manager. If the stories I've heard are accurate then I think Brighton were probably right to sack Poyet despite everything he has done for the club.
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Post by frag on May 8, 2014 21:58:06 GMT 1
Only Daz and SportingIndex predicted a relegated team correctly (assuming Norwich don't win and overcome an 18-goal deficit at the weekend)
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Post by Razzle Dazzle on May 8, 2014 22:38:24 GMT 1
More surprisingly burnley. Most people predicted 18-24th. Just shiws how unpredictable the championship is
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Post by suedehead on May 9, 2014 0:37:59 GMT 1
If you see my predictions you'll see that in my opinion they're not overestimating Bournemouth at all Eddie Howe's points per game last season would have seen Bournemouth close to 100 points, and unlike Chris Powell who IIRC took Charlton up with 102 points in 2011-12 Howe has the advantage of Championship experience. Whilst on the face of it the idea of Bournemouth finishing Top 6 seems fanciful, and the signings don't suggest the playoffs are the aim, while I may have slightly overestimated them myself I do genuinely believe they will finish top half. If anything Howe may prove to be a better Championship manager for Bournemouth than he was for Burnley simply because they are his club. I hope i'm proved right as I like him as a manager and it would be nice to see him continue to do well at Bournemouth. I certainly agree that Howe is better equipped to do well this year than he was at Burnley. The extra experience as well as the fact that Bournemouth are his club should help. He has been a favourite at Bournemouth since his playing days so it's great to see him doing well. He says himself that the Burnley job was too big for him at the time (he's still only 35) but he felt under pressure to move after turning down other jobs. He was afraid of being accused of lacking ambition. I'm sure most supporters would be delighted with a mid-table finish. I think it's fair to say that most Bournemouth supporters are more than delighted with their performance this season. Some may have got a little over-excited at the prospect of getting into the play-offs but I think most accept that 10th is a brilliant result. He wasn't born locally but moved here when he was very young so he grew up as a Bournemouth supporter which makes his success even more worth celebrating.
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Post by Razzle Dazzle on May 9, 2014 9:22:34 GMT 1
Quick glance at most peoples premiership predictions show a few things. What a great job pulis did at palace, what a terrible mess moyes got in, everyone knew he needed time but 7th place, thats worse than the most pessamistic prediction and it seems who goes down is a lottery with only me predicting any of the teams who went down.
I was the only one to predict hull to stay up so they did well and almost everyone, me included thought stoke would struggle but infact pushed for top half. Villa dissapointed, a few thought they would push on but went backwards and nobody saw norwich or fulham going down or liverpool qualifying for champions league automatically
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Post by Paddy on May 9, 2014 9:42:41 GMT 1
The premiership was a year of change.
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Post by wonderwall on May 9, 2014 9:54:03 GMT 1
Utd one bad season out of 20 not bad order will be restored next season but building a new team will take time.I saw us at home to fulham this season and it was awful Louie van gahl is the ideal manager in my opinion.
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Post by Maximo Mark on May 9, 2014 18:30:04 GMT 1
More surprisingly burnley. Most people predicted 18-24th. Just shiws how unpredictable the championship is
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