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Post by Panda on Aug 13, 2013 23:13:47 GMT 1
Great scenes with Isinbaeva celebrating after winning gold in the pole vault and finally some atmosphere in the stadium. Apparently they gave away a load of free tickets so they'd have a full stadium tonight for their big golden moment. Hopefully they'll do the same for the remainder of the Championships.
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Post by rubcale on Aug 14, 2013 13:56:53 GMT 1
Interesting as to whether Greg Rutherford (carrying injury) should have been selected because he was Olympic Champion in preference to Chris Tomlinson who was currently the best on merit.
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Post by Panda on Aug 14, 2013 16:35:29 GMT 1
Except he wasn't so I don't really know what Tomlinson was whinging about. Qualification for the Championships was in his hands and he blew it (like he always does when it matters). You could argue that neither of them should've gone but they were allowed to pick one and they went with the man who a) has jumped further this year, and b) is the Olympic champion. 7.89 ended up being the mark to get into the final - absolutely no guarantee Tomlinson would've made that.
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Post by rubcale on Aug 14, 2013 18:12:08 GMT 1
9i must have picked this up wrongly.
They seemed to be saying on Five Live this morning that Chris Tomlinson was currently the man in form.
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Post by Panda on Aug 14, 2013 19:00:00 GMT 1
Depends what they mean by "in form". He may have been jumping further than Rutherford in recent weeks but Rutherford was injured. Whatever Tomlinson's form, it still wasn't good enough to get the A standard to qualify automatically for the championships.
Whether they should've taken Rutherford's fitness into consideration more when making their decision is another matter.
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Post by Panda on Aug 15, 2013 16:09:40 GMT 1
The men's 4x400 through to the final with a reasonably impressive time.
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Post by rubcale on Aug 15, 2013 18:16:39 GMT 1
Terrible race from Perri Shakes-Drayton finishing 7th and even headed by Eilidh Child. She limped over the line after clattering the 3rd hurdle.
In the immediate aftermath she claimed she did not freeze but that her left knee had been "wobbly" even before the race. Shades of London 2012?
Will be interesting to see what is said tomorrow when things settle down but the commentators on Five Live are being highly critical of her.
If she is injured then this could kiss goodbye to any chance of a medal for the women in the 4x400m.
The British team had a target of 6 medals - they've won 2 and with only three days to go there aren't that many chances more.
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Post by Panda on Aug 15, 2013 18:43:36 GMT 1
I'm not totally convinced by her story either but we'll have to wait and see. If she re-appears for the relay, it will prove she bottled it tonight. On the other hand, I thought Eilidh Child ran very well.
A good effort from Hannah England to finish 4th in the 1500m. I would've liked to have seen her attack slightly earlier but I'm not sure it would've made a difference to the result.
I'd say we have 6 medal chances left: Mo, Tiffany Porter and the 4 relays. I was impressed with the men's 4x4 and they are one of 4 teams that could win silver or bronze behind the USA, who will walk it. Even without Perri, the women's 4x4 still have a medal chance but not gold. Both sprint relays have a chance of a medal but will have to go high risk on the changeovers with greatly reduces the chances of finishing the race.
6 was probably a realistic medal target. Based on the list I put up in the first post, we've 2 out of 3 so far. That's not terrible but it's slightly disappointing that no-one else has managed to step up to grab a medal. It could've been a different story were it not for injuries etc and it's not a hugely experienced squad. Next year will be a big year for a lot of athletes as they can use the Europeans and Commonwealth Games as a stepping stone to contending on the world stage.
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Post by Panda on Aug 15, 2013 18:49:36 GMT 1
Great line from Paula Radcliffe: "If Montsho had padded her bra the other night, we probably would've had a different result."
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Post by Panda on Aug 16, 2013 13:59:43 GMT 1
Huge boost for GB's medal chances in the women's 4x4 after Jamaica were disqualified. An impressive time by Russia in the semis but still a second down on the times the USA and GB ran earlier in the year. However, GB are probably giving away a second with Perri out of the team.
Margaret Adeoye ran in the semi this morning. Don't know if she'll stay in the team for the final or whether they'll bring in Anyika Onuora - she didn't look 100% when she ran in the 200m though. It's a shame the schedule clash has meant Marilyn Okoro can't be part of the relay team.
Quick mention for Adam Gemili running 20.17 in the 200m heats this morning. Great time but he might have to do something similar just to make the final.
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Post by Panda on Aug 16, 2013 16:11:50 GMT 1
Chris O'Hare through to the 1500m final. Great run. I can see Scotland having a very good Commonwealth Games next year.
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Post by Panda on Aug 16, 2013 16:59:04 GMT 1
19.98 for Gemili in the 200m semis! Only the second British sprinter ever to go under 20 seconds. We suddenly have a surprise medal contender...
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Post by o on Aug 16, 2013 17:14:33 GMT 1
Awesome Adam Gemili!
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Post by Panda on Aug 16, 2013 17:58:59 GMT 1
DOUBLE DOUBLE GOLD FOR MO!
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Post by rubcale on Aug 16, 2013 18:09:53 GMT 1
Simply superb. He has all the moves covered.
mrh, can you explain this.
I wasn't fully aware of the position regarding Greg Rutherford and Chris Tomlinson but though I did after your previous explanation i.e. neither had achieved the A standard and in this case a country can only send 1 athlete who has the B standard.
However BBC2 this after noon they were having a discussion about the long jump. I was at a critical stage in preparing the dinner and didn't get a chance to fully understand everything they were saying.
Denise Lewis pronounced that they should have sent both athletes (which on my understanding they couldn't do) which Paula Radcliffe then chipped in to say) but Gabbi Logan then stated they should have invoked some rule of which I didn't get any other details.
Michael Johnson then stated that he agreed with Denise and would have included both Greg and Chris.
I wouldn't really have thought Denise wouldn't have known the correct rules although I was thinking maybe that was just possible but I can't believe Michael Johnson wouldn't have known them.
Any ideas?
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Post by rubcale on Aug 16, 2013 18:11:07 GMT 1
Hope Adam Gemili can maintain his form in the final - could go either way.
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Post by rubcale on Aug 16, 2013 18:57:27 GMT 1
Loved Michael Johnson's comment on where the British 4x400m relay team went wrong:
"In thinking they could win a medal in the first place"!
He thought Bingham should never have been in the four.
Levine ran a tactically poor last leg.
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Post by raliverpool on Aug 16, 2013 20:44:39 GMT 1
Simply superb. He has all the moves covered. mrh, can you explain this. I wasn't fully aware of the position regarding Greg Rutherford and Chris Tomlinson but though I did after your previous explanation i.e. neither had achieved the A standard and in this case a country can only send 1 athlete who has the B standard. However BBC2 this after noon they were having a discussion about the long jump. I was at a critical stage in preparing the dinner and didn't get a chance to fully understand everything they were saying. Denise Lewis pronounced that they should have sent both athletes (which on my understanding they couldn't do) which Paula Radcliffe then chipped in to say) but Gabbi Logan then stated they should have invoked some rule of which I didn't get any other details. Michael Johnson then stated that he agreed with Denise and would have included both Greg and Chris. I wouldn't really have thought Denise wouldn't have known the correct rules although I was thinking maybe that was just possible but I can't believe Michael Johnson wouldn't have known them. Any ideas? I've watched a load of this World Championships and have not really contributed to this thread. Fantastic race by Mo; and Adam Gemili was great in his Semi but can he repeat that to medal? Re: Your question: All 2011 outdoor World champions and 2012 Diamond League champions receive wild card status and are exempt from the international qualifying standards, although they still may have to meet conditions set by their host countries. If the defending World champion and the reigning Diamond League champion in the same event are from the same country, only one can receive the wild card. As Greg Rutherford is defending 2012 Olympic Champion (and not 2011 WC Dwight Phillips (USA) or 2012 DL winner Aleksandr Menkov (RUS)) then he was not automatically eligible for a wild card status. So as no British Long Jumper achieved the A qualifying standard then Team GB could only select one athlete. So Paula Radcliffe was correct, and Denise Lewis and Michael Johnson were not. Come the 2016 Rio Olympics providing Greg Rutherford achieves the B standard he should automatically be allowed to defend his title (unless Team GB invoke so internal rule not to allow him to compete). So in the identical circumstances as of now both Greg and Chris Tomlinson would be able to compete at the Olympics which was not the case with these World Championships. Hence, why I think Denise & Michael Johnson got confused.
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Post by Panda on Aug 16, 2013 21:02:01 GMT 1
Simply superb. He has all the moves covered. mrh, can you explain this. I wasn't fully aware of the position regarding Greg Rutherford and Chris Tomlinson but though I did after your previous explanation i.e. neither had achieved the A standard and in this case a country can only send 1 athlete who has the B standard. However BBC2 this after noon they were having a discussion about the long jump. I was at a critical stage in preparing the dinner and didn't get a chance to fully understand everything they were saying. Denise Lewis pronounced that they should have sent both athletes (which on my understanding they couldn't do) which Paula Radcliffe then chipped in to say) but Gabbi Logan then stated they should have invoked some rule of which I didn't get any other details. Michael Johnson then stated that he agreed with Denise and would have included both Greg and Chris. I wouldn't really have thought Denise wouldn't have known the correct rules although I was thinking maybe that was just possible but I can't believe Michael Johnson wouldn't have known them. Any ideas? My understanding is they could only pick one because neither had the A standard. Denise Lewis seemed to be saying the GB selectors make up their own rules and could've picked both if they'd wanted to. I'm not surprised Michael Johnson didn't know the rules as he tends to be very focused on the Americans (understandably - though if he's getting paid to appear on British TV, maybe he should pay a bit more attention) and their selection process is very different to ours.
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Post by Panda on Aug 16, 2013 21:11:08 GMT 1
Loved Michael Johnson's comment on where the British 4x400m relay team went wrong: "In thinking they could win a medal in the first place"! He thought Bingham should never have been in the four. Levine ran a tactically poor last leg. I thought his comment was a bit harsh and if anything, tonight's race proved they could've got a medal if they'd got things right. But I agree that Bingham shouldn't have been in the team. Levine got the tactics wrong and Bingham was just very, very poor. If Bingham wasn't 100% he shouldn't have been in the team, and Bowie (who was excellent in the semi-final) should've run instead. To go slower in the final than they did in the semi-final was a poor effort. We are much weaker in the 400m than we have been in the past. Rooney is the only real quality 400m runner we have and injury problems meant he missed out on individual selection - but he always produces the goods in the relay. Williams and Levine are average and I've never rated Bingham. I don't know whose decision it would've been to choose the quartet tonight but they got it badly wrong.
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