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Post by Paddy on Jun 12, 2020 15:57:13 GMT 1
Maybe they will restrict the attendance at matches for the start of the season to you, a friend and the three other season ticket holders. Average attendance of 192 last season! They were doing quite well until c19 lockdown. 8th in table. BetVictor Isthmian North Division. Not sure what division is above that.
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Post by frag on Jun 12, 2020 16:09:56 GMT 1
The other thing with the league 2 relegation is that the EFL are trying their best to kick Macclesfield out by taking points off them, so they are below Stevenage. They are taking points off them for not fulfilling fixtures because players haven't been paid, funny last season Bury players weren't paid, but played their fixtures, because they wanted promotion, a promotion they gained, and then went pop! I understand clubs must be punished for not paying wages or playing games, but it is usually a dodgy owner trying to get out of paying bills, so by taking points off them, you are punishing the players and the fans, and not really the owner, who will sell and leave the club floundering! Harrogate will pull up their artificial pitch if they get promotion, as I know they put in a request to do that last season when they made the playoffs. Real shame as it generates so much money for the club, which is what they need, as their crowds struggle around 1300, and the rich owner bankrolls them. Think Simon Weaver has been there over 10 years now as player/manager, and even though his dad is the owner, he has made the playoffs in the Conference North before promotion up, and finished 6th last season as well as 2nd this season, so he more than justifies the job. It does seem unfair to me to apply points per game after points deductions. Are the National League actually planning to play play-offs? Surely the thing to do there would be to have no relegation and just Barrow promoted?
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Post by Panda on Jun 12, 2020 17:40:05 GMT 1
Average attendance of 192 last season! They were doing quite well until c19 lockdown. 8th in table. BetVictor Isthmian North Division. Not sure what division is above that. Isthmian Premier, though they'd probably be moved to the Southern League if they ever got promoted to step 3.
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Post by Robbie on Jun 12, 2020 17:47:13 GMT 1
More friendly results: Arsenal 2-3 Brentford Chelsea 1-0 Reading Liverpool 6-0 Blackburn Newcastle 3-2 Middlesbrough Sheff Utd 4-0 Hull
Thanks for these. I didn't even know there were friendlies taking place.
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Post by Panda on Jun 12, 2020 17:47:33 GMT 1
The other thing with the league 2 relegation is that the EFL are trying their best to kick Macclesfield out by taking points off them, so they are below Stevenage. They are taking points off them for not fulfilling fixtures because players haven't been paid, funny last season Bury players weren't paid, but played their fixtures, because they wanted promotion, a promotion they gained, and then went pop! I understand clubs must be punished for not paying wages or playing games, but it is usually a dodgy owner trying to get out of paying bills, so by taking points off them, you are punishing the players and the fans, and not really the owner, who will sell and leave the club floundering! Harrogate will pull up their artificial pitch if they get promotion, as I know they put in a request to do that last season when they made the playoffs. Real shame as it generates so much money for the club, which is what they need, as their crowds struggle around 1300, and the rich owner bankrolls them. Think Simon Weaver has been there over 10 years now as player/manager, and even though his dad is the owner, he has made the playoffs in the Conference North before promotion up, and finished 6th last season as well as 2nd this season, so he more than justifies the job. It does seem unfair to me to apply points per game after points deductions. Are the National League actually planning to play play-offs? Surely the thing to do there would be to have no relegation and just Barrow promoted? Whilst it does seem like the EFL are trying to get rid of Macclesfield, I don't see how implementing PPG after a points deduction is unfair - otherwise the points deduction is meaningless. National League clubs are in the process of voting on what happens next. The league seemingly wants the playoffs to happen but it's apparent there isn't universal approval from the clubs and as such, participation for clubs finishing in the top 7 wouldn't be mandatory should they go ahead. They also plan to relegate the bottom-placed side and promote the two "winners" of National League North/South on PPG, which would be King's Lynn and Wealdstone (much to the annoyance of York, who were top of the North when the season was suspended, and Havant & Waterlooville, who were still in title contention in the South).
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Post by Razzle Dazzle on Jun 12, 2020 17:54:01 GMT 1
Macclesfield are an odd one, so say they avoid further punishment and stay up, don't pay their players or staff again next season and get wound up, its another mess to clear up next season too
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Post by Robbie on Jun 12, 2020 17:54:55 GMT 1
I must admit I've not been following much of what has been happening (or not happening) football wise but with the return of the Premier League on Wednesday and with all games being televised including a number of games being free to view, here's a list of who's playing when in the first two weeks: www.live-footballontv.com/live-premier-league-football-on-tv.htmlThere will be a handful of matches on BBC1 along with 25 games in total on Pick TV which is on Freeview (Channel 11) and Freesat (Channel 144).
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Post by Smurfie on Jun 12, 2020 18:16:32 GMT 1
Average attendance of 192 last season!
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Post by suedehead on Jun 12, 2020 18:23:05 GMT 1
It does seem unfair to me to apply points per game after points deductions. Are the National League actually planning to play play-offs? Surely the thing to do there would be to have no relegation and just Barrow promoted? Whilst it does seem like the EFL are trying to get rid of Macclesfield, I don't see how implementing PPG after a points deduction is unfair - otherwise the points deduction is meaningless. National League clubs are in the process of voting on what happens next. The league seemingly wants the playoffs to happen but it's apparent there isn't universal approval from the clubs and as such, participation for clubs finishing in the top 7 wouldn't be mandatory should they go ahead. They also plan to relegate the bottom-placed side and promote the two "winners" of National League North/South on PPG, which would be King's Lynn and Wealdstone (much to the annoyance of York, who were top of the North when the season was suspended, and Havant & Waterlooville, who were still in title contention in the South). Calculating PPG after the points deduction effectively punishes them twice. Assume they have played ten games in a 20-game season and have had ten points deducted. Assume they have "won" 20 points, leaving them with ten after the deduction. Calculating PPG without the deduction gives them 40 points, adjusted to 30 after the deduction. Calculating it with the deduction gives them only 20 points, i.e. 20 fewer than the number "won" based on PPG.
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Post by Paddy on Jun 12, 2020 18:52:45 GMT 1
Average attendance of 192 last season! Why the scream?
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Post by Panda on Jun 12, 2020 19:46:38 GMT 1
Whilst it does seem like the EFL are trying to get rid of Macclesfield, I don't see how implementing PPG after a points deduction is unfair - otherwise the points deduction is meaningless. National League clubs are in the process of voting on what happens next. The league seemingly wants the playoffs to happen but it's apparent there isn't universal approval from the clubs and as such, participation for clubs finishing in the top 7 wouldn't be mandatory should they go ahead. They also plan to relegate the bottom-placed side and promote the two "winners" of National League North/South on PPG, which would be King's Lynn and Wealdstone (much to the annoyance of York, who were top of the North when the season was suspended, and Havant & Waterlooville, who were still in title contention in the South). Calculating PPG after the points deduction effectively punishes them twice. Assume they have played ten games in a 20-game season and have had ten points deducted. Assume they have "won" 20 points, leaving them with ten after the deduction. Calculating PPG without the deduction gives them 40 points, adjusted to 30 after the deduction. Calculating it with the deduction gives them only 20 points, i.e. 20 fewer than the number "won" based on PPG. I get what you mean. I guess it also comes down to how the PPG is calculated and presented. The EFL seem to have done it the same way as you, calculating the PPG, then transposing it across the rest of the season, rather than just taking the PPG total as the table stands now (for teams, with no points deductions, there's little, if any difference).
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Post by o on Jun 12, 2020 19:52:31 GMT 1
Macclesfield would be safely mid table but for a dodgy owner who wont pay the bills, heaven knows why he took them over, it's not as if they're a sleeping giant!
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Post by Panda on Jun 13, 2020 19:08:19 GMT 1
Friendly results: Cardiff 0-0 Swansea Cardiff 1-1 Swansea (both 80 minute games) Man Utd 1-2 West Brom Man Utd 3-1 West Brom (both 60 minute games) Tottenham 1-2 Norwich Watford 2-0 Brentford West Ham 2-1 Crystal Palace
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Post by Tom on Jun 13, 2020 19:32:44 GMT 1
Friendly results: Cardiff 0-0 Swansea Cardiff 1-1 Swansea (both 80 minute games) Man Utd 1-2 West Brom Man Utd 3-1 West Brom (both 60 minute games) Tottenham 1-2 Norwich Watford 2-0 Brentford West Ham 2-1 Crystal Palace Mate told me last night that our game against Spurs was cancelled by Reading. Don't know why but guessing there was a positive test somewhere. Also their game against Norwich was a 2 hr match split into 4 periods of 30 mins. Having seen our first 3 fixtures there are some unusual kick off times. Next week is normal, then we have a 1pm Sat and 6pm midweek.
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Post by o on Jun 13, 2020 19:55:46 GMT 1
Sam told me that away yeams are not allowed to stay the night before? He was moaning because Leeds were playing Cardiff at midday or something? Sounds utterly bizarre to play early games where teams have to travel, just because TV said so!
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Post by Robbie on Jun 13, 2020 22:44:29 GMT 1
Sam told me that away yeams are not allowed to stay the night before? He was moaning because Leeds were playing Cardiff at midday or something? Sounds utterly bizarre to play early games where teams have to travel, just because TV said so!
The kick-off times are all over the place. And if teams aren't allowed to stay the night before they aren't exactly going to be refreshed and ready to play if they are stuck on a coach for hours and are expected to play a 90 minute match just two or three hours later and then to make the journey back home again straight after the match. It's not as bad if it's teams from the London area playing each other but if it's a team from the north east or north west having to travel the length of the country and back again it's going to take it's toll.
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Post by Tom on Jun 14, 2020 10:37:09 GMT 1
Sam told me that away yeams are not allowed to stay the night before? He was moaning because Leeds were playing Cardiff at midday or something? Sounds utterly bizarre to play early games where teams have to travel, just because TV said so! Yes that's right. That's why there's been confusion over our game in two weekends time. It's not on Sky (and I'm not expecting any of our games to be selected, apart from anything else we're an unfashionable mid-table club) and given it's Derby away is not a local derby either. The midweek games I can understand why they would kick off earlier, no fans and no overnight stay so can see why they would want to play the games as early as possible. It has been suggested that we might go by plane rather than by coach for our away games. I could actually see away teams staying overnight at the stadium hotel though. When neutral venues were being talked about for PL games the Mad Stad was suggested by various people as a possible location because of having the hotel on site. Robbie
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Post by Tom on Jun 14, 2020 20:26:30 GMT 1
Reading 3-1 Portsmouth at Mad Stad
So it is odd the Spurs game was cancelled.
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Post by Panda on Jun 14, 2020 20:41:31 GMT 1
Chelsea 7-1 QPR Middlesbrough 0-3 Huddersfield (3 x 45 mins - haven't seen confirmation of the score) Newcastle 2-0 Hull Sheff Utd 0-2 Barnsley
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Post by Tom on Jun 15, 2020 18:13:59 GMT 1
Reading 3-1 Portsmouth at Mad Stad So it is odd the Spurs game was cancelled. Now finally found out the reason. We had a couple of positive tests and even though neither would have been involved in the game (one was our academy director Michael Gilkes, the other Lucas Boye who has been injured but is down the pecking order) Mourinho decided to call it off as a precaution.
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