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Post by Panda on Oct 10, 2015 23:17:37 GMT 1
3rd place table: 1. Hungary 8-15 (+3) ---------------------------- 2. Croatia 8-14 (+12) 3. Ukraine 7-13 (+8) 4. Sweden 8-12 (+2) 5. Ireland 7-12 (+2) 6. Albania 7-11 (+2) 7. Slovenia 8-10 (-1) 8. Turkey 7-9 (+1) 9. Bosnia 7-8 (-2) If Romania lose and end up third are another country likely to sneak that top spot? I can't see Ukraine beating Spain and Ireland winning would just put Poland in there on a similar total wouldn't it? I'd laugh if Cyprus end up beating Bosnia and getting a play off place. Yes. A Romania defeat (against the Faroes) would put them below Croatia in the table, though if Croatia overtake Norway, we could have four teams on 13 points and it would come down to goal difference. Should Ukraine beat Spain and Slovakia draw with Luxembourg, Slovakia would have 14 and it would depend on whether Croatia overtake Norway or not.
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Post by Thor on Oct 10, 2015 23:25:27 GMT 1
If Romania lose and end up third are another country likely to sneak that top spot? I can't see Ukraine beating Spain and Ireland winning would just put Poland in there on a similar total wouldn't it? I'd laugh if Cyprus end up beating Bosnia and getting a play off place. Yes. A Romania defeat (against the Faroes) would put them below Croatia in the table, though if Croatia overtake Norway, we could have four teams on 13 points and it would come down to goal difference. Should Ukraine beat Spain and Slovakia draw with Luxembourg, Slovakia would have 14 and it would depend on whether Croatia overtake Norway or not. And that would change again if Macedonia were to win in Belarus! It's all too complicated
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Post by suedehead on Oct 11, 2015 0:07:17 GMT 1
Yes. A Romania defeat (against the Faroes) would put them below Croatia in the table, though if Croatia overtake Norway, we could have four teams on 13 points and it would come down to goal difference. Should Ukraine beat Spain and Slovakia draw with Luxembourg, Slovakia would have 14 and it would depend on whether Croatia overtake Norway or not. And that would change again if Macedonia were to win in Belarus! It's all too complicated That's one of the advantages of spreading each set of matches over three days (and with some staggered kick-off times). There aren't too many different scenarios to think about at any one time.
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Post by Panda on Oct 11, 2015 0:13:53 GMT 1
Well it won't be a factor at the next Euros as the plan is to have 10 qualifying groups, with the top 2 reaching the finals, and the playoff places will be allocated according to positions in the Nations League in 2018/19 (interestingly, the bottom league in the Nations League will be guaranteed one finals place, though Northern Ireland and Albania were in the bottom 16 for Euro 2016, with Iceland one place above Northern Ireland).
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Post by Thor on Oct 11, 2015 0:19:37 GMT 1
Well it won't be a factor at the next Euros as the plan is to have 10 qualifying groups, with the top 2 reaching the finals, and the playoff places will be allocated according to positions in the Nations League in 2018/19 (interestingly, the bottom league in the Nations League will be guaranteed one finals place, though Northern Ireland and Albania were in the bottom 16 for Euro 2016, with Iceland one place above Northern Ireland). I'm already hating those changes.
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Post by Panda on Oct 11, 2015 0:36:05 GMT 1
Well it won't be a factor at the next Euros as the plan is to have 10 qualifying groups, with the top 2 reaching the finals, and the playoff places will be allocated according to positions in the Nations League in 2018/19 (interestingly, the bottom league in the Nations League will be guaranteed one finals place, though Northern Ireland and Albania were in the bottom 16 for Euro 2016, with Iceland one place above Northern Ireland). I'm already hating those changes. Two other changes to the playoffs will be that they have semi-finals and a final (so there will be 16 teams in the playoffs in addition to the 20 who qualify through the main competition) with all ties being played over one leg. For the semi-finals the higher-ranked team in the Nations League will be at home, with the finals played at neutral venues. The Nations League takes place in 2018-19 after the World Cup (main Euro qualifying will start later in March 2019) and will see the 54 teams split into 4 divisions (12-12-14-16) with each division split into four groups. Each group will have promotion and relegation to the divisions above and below. The 4 group winners in Division A (the top tier) will contest a knockout competition in the summer of 2019 to determine the overall winner. That means every group winner in the Nations League will know they are guaranteed at least a playoff spot for the Euros. If a division has fewer than 4 teams that haven't qualified for the Euros, the spare playoff spots are given to the division below and so on until there are 16 playoff teams.
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Post by Thor on Oct 11, 2015 10:37:30 GMT 1
I'm already hating those changes. Two other changes to the playoffs will be that they have semi-finals and a final (so there will be 16 teams in the playoffs in addition to the 20 who qualify through the main competition) with all ties being played over one leg. For the semi-finals the higher-ranked team in the Nations League will be at home, with the finals played at neutral venues. The Nations League takes place in 2018-19 after the World Cup (main Euro qualifying will start later in March 2019) and will see the 54 teams split into 4 divisions (12-12-14-16) with each division split into four groups. Each group will have promotion and relegation to the divisions above and below. The 4 group winners in Division A (the top tier) will contest a knockout competition in the summer of 2019 to determine the overall winner. That means every group winner in the Nations League will know they are guaranteed at least a playoff spot for the Euros. If a division has fewer than 4 teams that haven't qualified for the Euros, the spare playoff spots are given to the division below and so on until there are 16 playoff teams. How are they going to rank the countries if they've only been in groups of 3 or 4?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2015 10:54:58 GMT 1
Congratulations, Wales !!! Good luck, Ireland.
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Post by suedehead on Oct 11, 2015 13:07:25 GMT 1
How (if at all) is the play-off draw being seeded? I assume it will be made some time this week.
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Post by Panda on Oct 11, 2015 13:14:32 GMT 1
How (if at all) is the play-off draw being seeded? I assume it will be made some time this week. I assumed it will be seeded based on UEFA's own rankings. That's what happened 4 years ago (and all 4 seeded teams qualified).
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Post by Thor on Oct 11, 2015 13:22:09 GMT 1
How (if at all) is the play-off draw being seeded? I assume it will be made some time this week. I assumed it will be seeded based on UEFA's own rankings. That's what happened 4 years ago (and all 4 seeded teams qualified). Yes that is what I have read.
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Post by Panda on Oct 11, 2015 13:23:00 GMT 1
As things stand, the likely seedings for the playoffs would be:
Seeded: Croatia, Ukraine, Bosnia, Sweden Unseeded: Ireland, Turkey, Slovenia, Albania
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Post by Panda on Oct 11, 2015 14:02:09 GMT 1
The playoff draw will take place next Sunday.
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Post by Panda on Oct 11, 2015 17:29:26 GMT 1
Albania 2-0 up in Armenia and as it stands, are going to qualify!
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Post by frag on Oct 11, 2015 19:08:19 GMT 1
Hungary finish 3rd, so the play-off picture is much clearer. With 15 points from their 8 games (excluding vs Greece), only three teams can overtake them in the 3rd place table:
Turkey in Group A: need to win, and for Kazakhstan (who they beat twice) to beat Latvia (against whom they drew twice). That would leave them with 16 points and a goal difference of +4 plus however much they win by.
Ukraine in Group C: if they beat Spain and Slovakia beat Luxembourg, they'll be 3rd with 22 points. They've won all four matches against Luxembourg and Macedonia, so they'd have 16 points and a goal difference of +5 or +8, plus however much they win by.
Slovakia in Group C: if they draw with Luxembourg, Ukraine beat Spain, and Macedonia beat Belarus, then Slovakia will by 3rd with 20 points, and Luxembourg bottom. So Slovakia would have 16 points and a goal difference of +4.
Group C is played out tomorrow, and Group A on Monday.
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Post by Panda on Oct 11, 2015 20:11:16 GMT 1
Poland and Ireland 1-1 after 25 minutes. Another goal for Ireland means Poland will need to score twice...
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Post by Panda on Oct 11, 2015 20:13:04 GMT 1
That said, Germany are still 0-0 with Georgia. A goal for Georgia would put Germany down to 3rd...
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Post by Panda on Oct 11, 2015 20:33:24 GMT 1
2-1 to Poland at HT but Ireland now only need a draw to qualify.
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Post by suedehead on Oct 11, 2015 20:50:05 GMT 1
I suspect Geography may not have been Kyle Lafferty's best subject at school
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Post by Panda on Oct 11, 2015 20:54:09 GMT 1
FFS.
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