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Post by Panda on Dec 9, 2021 2:28:07 GMT 1
Channel 4 is to show the Abu Dhabi Grand Prix live on Sunday after coming to an agreement with Sky.
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Post by frag on Dec 12, 2021 15:41:21 GMT 1
FIA gave the championship to Verstappen after coming to an agreement with Red Bull.
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Post by Pablo on Dec 12, 2021 16:56:42 GMT 1
Unsurprisingly Mercedes have lodged protests with the FIA over the decisions on the last few laps - especially over the decision to only let the lapped cars between Hamilton and Verstappen through but not the ones behind.
With hindsight now - if race control wanted racing to happen, it would have been better to red flag the race after the crash, both drivers change tyres and have 5 laps of hard racing.
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Post by smokeyb on Dec 12, 2021 20:14:39 GMT 1
Max confirmed as champion, correct result if decisions can be overturned by appeal we may as well give up competitive sport. Red Bull broke no rules so why should result be overturned. Mercedes could have stopped Hamilton for new tyres but chose not to, they made a mistake. Hamilton accepted the result so that should be it. I'm sure he wouldn't want to become champion in a court room.
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Post by frag on Dec 12, 2021 20:29:17 GMT 1
Max confirmed as champion, correct result if decisions can be overturned by appeal we may as well give up competitive sport. Red Bull broke no rules so why should result be overturned. Mercedes could have stopped Hamilton for new tyres but chose not to, they made a mistake. Hamilton accepted the result so that should be it. I'm sure he wouldn't want to become champion in a court room. The problem is that there's a written rule book, but the FIA chose to make up their own rules for the sake of drama. It's as if one team was 3-0 up in a cup final with a few minutes left, but the referee decided it would be next goal wins and the side that was behind has a penalty.
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Post by smokeyb on Dec 12, 2021 21:11:43 GMT 1
Hamilton should have given up first place on lap 1 but he got away with it, that broke the rules too
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Post by smokeyb on Dec 12, 2021 21:17:07 GMT 1
If they are not allowed to race at the limit then its not formula one, they should give up, Mercedes love to win at all costs they are a big manufacturer who hate to lose,I'm sure if the positions were reversed they would be happy.
If the same driver wins every year because Mercedes can outspend all the other teams then its not fair competition. This is the first year that a rival team has stepped up to the mark, resulting in the most exciting year for at least 3 decades.
Don't begrudge Red Bull this, I'm sure Lewis will come back stronger next year.
If the same team win every year it becomes boring, in any sport.
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Post by Pablo on Dec 12, 2021 21:56:24 GMT 1
It wouldn't be the first time decisions in F1 have had results overturned controversially on appeal but I doubted anything would have happened tonight, as ultimately it was FIA decisions which has caused all this. It will be escalated to the courts though. I don't think Mercedes has any gripe with Red Bull, both protests were to do with the race controls decisions but throughout the season, race control has simply lost control... If this was any other race, the safety car would have stayed out until the end of the race. Other than the first lap incident, it was a fair race and Christian Horner admitted a few times Lewis was quicker - even with the old tyres, Lewis was only losing a small chunk of time. Once the emotions settle down, I think Mercedes will admit it was just bad luck that the crash happened when it happened. As you say smokeyb, it's been one of the most exciting season in recent times with multiple winners, different manufacturers appearing on the podium and a load of controversy along the way. For next year, they need to simplify the rules though especially around the team comms to race control.
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Post by Panda on Dec 13, 2021 0:31:18 GMT 1
Mercedes could have stopped Hamilton for new tyres but chose not to, they made a mistake. That wasn't an option during the final safety car. If Hamilton had pitted, Red Bull would've told Verstappen to stay out, giving him track position. If he'd tried to pit after Verstappen had already changed tyres, with another lap behind the safety car, the gap wouldn't have been big enough to stay ahead. I didn't have a favourite in today's race. I have a severe dislike for both Toto Wolff and Christian Horner so it was good to see one of them with a face like a slapped arse at the end of the race. And whilst I agree it does get boring when one person/team dominates a sport, the FIA (and in particular, Michael Masi) seemingly making the rules up as they go along and directly affecting the outcome of the championship as a result doesn't sit well with me.
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Post by Panda on Dec 13, 2021 0:39:28 GMT 1
Odds for the 2022 title:
5/6 Hamilton 5/2 Verstappen 13/2 Russell 16/1 Leclerc 33/1 Perez 33/1 Sainz 40/1 Norris 80/1 Ricciardo 80/1 Alonso 100/1 Ocon 150/1 Vettel 150/1 Gasly 200/1 Stroll 300/1 Bottas 400/1 Tsunoda 500/1 Schumacher 1000/1 Zhou 1000/1 Albon 1500/1 Mazepin 1500/1 Latifi
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Post by Paddy on Dec 13, 2021 1:45:12 GMT 1
I might put a cheeky 5er on George.
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Post by Panda on Dec 14, 2021 1:39:15 GMT 1
I might put a cheeky 5er on George. Worth a shout. Could be similar to Senna/Prost in their first season together at McLaren.
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Post by Shireblogger on Dec 14, 2021 8:41:11 GMT 1
£5 on Sainz wouldn't be stupid. Ferrari might have spent more time on the new regulations than Mercedes or Red Bull.
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Post by vastar iner on Dec 15, 2021 21:41:15 GMT 1
The problem is that there's a written rule book, but the FIA chose to make up their own rules for the sake of drama. It's as if one team was 3-0 up in a cup final with a few minutes left, but the referee decided it would be next goal wins and the side that was behind has a penalty. Awarded for handball. By the goalkeeper.
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Post by vastar iner on Dec 15, 2021 21:42:35 GMT 1
£5 on Sainz wouldn't be stupid. Ferrari might have spent more time on the new regulations than Mercedes or Red Bull. Mercedes have a lot of development tokens to spend - a lot more than Red Bull. I'd bank on Leclerc ahead of Sainz, Sainz was doing the accountancy thing while Leclerc was sh*t or bust. But I'd say Sainz is value for an each way bet. Even more so had Bottas been in the second Merc rather than Russell...
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Post by Paddy on Dec 16, 2021 18:14:04 GMT 1
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Post by Paddy on Jan 30, 2022 14:07:32 GMT 1
Anyone watching daytona 24?
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Post by o on Mar 7, 2022 14:30:38 GMT 1
Not sure I agree with Nikita Mazepin just being sacked for being Russian.
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Post by smokeyb on Mar 7, 2022 20:42:05 GMT 1
Not sure I agree with Nikita Mazepin just being sacked for being Russian. His father is part of Putin's inner circle and a personal friend
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Post by o on Mar 7, 2022 21:33:04 GMT 1
Yes, his father, not him. I think when it becomes sacking an individual fir being Russian, you start to get into a grey area. I'm sure he could sue for breach of contract if he wanted to.
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