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Post by Panda on Dec 21, 2008 23:15:41 GMT 1
Boro and Arsenal both seem to be attracting hopelessly inept refs...
Arca should've been sent off in the first half yesterday, then a ridiculous penalty for Fulham with the score at 1-0...
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Post by suedehead on Dec 21, 2008 23:42:05 GMT 1
Now that I've seen it, I think Adebayor's first yellow card was right, the second wsan't.
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Post by Maximo Mark on Dec 21, 2008 23:59:22 GMT 1
I think both were bookings. If either of Alonso's legs had been a bit further central it was a leg breaker, you can't put your foot there like that at all. Oh, and there was an arm, deliberate or not...
There will be many, many, more harsh sending offs this season.
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Post by frag on Dec 22, 2008 18:00:43 GMT 1
How Arca's getting less punishment for his awful challenge than Adebayor is for winning the ball fairly is beyond me. Is football a non-contact sport now?
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Post by o on Dec 22, 2008 21:03:23 GMT 1
The problem is with both challenges is that they were using their bodies to protect the ball, but to do that, they have to get their leg in front of the opposition player, and sometimes it connects, if you watch the Arca one at normal speed, it doesn't look as bad, only when it is slowed down. Adebayor didn't really connect with the 2nd challenge, but it was the same as the first when he was booked. Players need to stop trying to block players off with their bodies!
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Post by Maximo Mark on Dec 22, 2008 23:17:41 GMT 1
The problem is with both challenges is that they were using their bodies to protect the ball, but to do that, they have to get their leg in front of the opposition player, and sometimes it connects, if you watch the Arca one at normal speed, it doesn't look as bad, only when it is slowed down. Adebayor didn't really connect with the 2nd challenge, but it was the same as the first when he was booked. Players need to stop trying to block players off with their bodies! Indeed. What kind of numpty does something which he's already been booked for?! No bias towards Chelsea tonight from Phil Dowd. A red card for Terry and three yellows for dissent, Ballack's was pretty hilarious! I do think the title is Man Utd's to lose now...
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Post by frag on Dec 22, 2008 23:21:57 GMT 1
Indeed. What kind of numpty does something which he's already been booked for?! If winning the ball like that is a booking, then it's a booking every time a defender shields the ball out of play. Furthermore, if either challenge is a booking, then every match would finish 8-a-side... Sounds like we've finally got some sensible refereeing. I hear there was a goal disallowed, have yet to see it though.
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Post by Maximo Mark on Dec 23, 2008 1:31:28 GMT 1
It's incredibly rare a defender will ever shield a ball like Adebayor did, he put his foot in way too hard and way too near the defender, it may have been harsh but I can totally see why Webb decided they were worth bookings in comparison to other challenges of a similar nature.
There was a disallowed goal, Pienaar was offside and Cech had the ball in both hands when Pienaar/Ballack took it off him. It was an excellent spot by the linesman.
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Post by Panda on Dec 23, 2008 2:13:08 GMT 1
How Arca's getting less punishment for his awful challenge than Adebayor is for winning the ball fairly is beyond me. Is football a non-contact sport now? Surely the punishments were the same...
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Post by suedehead on Dec 23, 2008 12:56:00 GMT 1
It's incredibly rare a defender will ever shield a ball like Adebayor did, he put his foot in way too hard and way too near the defender, it may have been harsh but I can totally see why Webb decided they were worth bookings in comparison to other challenges of a similar nature. There was a disallowed goal, Pienaar was offside and Cech had the ball in both hands when Pienaar/Ballack took it off him. It was an excellent spot by the linesman. It was a very good spot and at least it saved a debate about whether it was Pienaar or Ballack who forced the ball out of Cech's hands. I've seen it several times and I'm still not sure.
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Post by frag on Dec 23, 2008 16:24:51 GMT 1
How Arca's getting less punishment for his awful challenge than Adebayor is for winning the ball fairly is beyond me. Is football a non-contact sport now? Surely the punishments were the same... I meant winning the ball fairly twice, which somehow warranted a red card and a ban. Whereas Arca gets off with a single yellow for his horror tackle instead of at least a 3-match ban. Even if he thought they were fouls, most refs would have given Adebayor a warning the second time. Or he could have been consistent and shown second bookings to Carragher, Lucas and Alonso. But despite what Wenger says, the decision didn't cost us the game - we didn't look like winning before Adebayor was picked on. Wenger should spend less time finding excuses, and more time getting his chequebook out. With Fabregas out for a long time (reinforcing our status as the unluckiest team of any kind on the planet), we need a replacement for him, another central midfielder, at least one centre-back, and a winger in January. Even before Cesc's injury, he should have been looking to spend £30-40m during the transfer window.
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Post by frag on Dec 23, 2008 16:29:44 GMT 1
Wenger: "Yes , but we also have internal solutions so we are not desperate because of that,"
No we f***ing don't!
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Post by suedehead on Dec 23, 2008 17:49:52 GMT 1
I've just heard Wenger going on about Graham Poll's comments on the Terry red card. He really does seem to be losing it at the moment.
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Post by Tom on Dec 23, 2008 19:31:47 GMT 1
Boro and Arsenal both seem to be attracting hopelessly inept refs... Arca should've been sent off in the first half yesterday, then a ridiculous penalty for Fulham with the score at 1-0... Probably shouldn't admit this but i thought it was a pen at first...The refs missed a lot of obvious penalties the previous weekend so it seems they were trying to make up for it last weekend. Even Poll in his newspaper column pretty much suggested this beforehand! Agree that Arca should have been sent off tho. As for Adebayor, missed his first yellow but I think Howard Webb is the best ref in the country and although im not sure the 2nd yellow was right i can see why he gave it.
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Post by o on Dec 23, 2008 19:41:49 GMT 1
I thought Terry may have been unlucky to be sent off, I guess the foot was high, but I do think he was going for the ball, I cant stand the guy either. As for Ballack's booking, what a tosser that ref is, the wall was not 10 yards, Ballack complained, so the ref did 10 tiny steps to show it was 10 yards, and then booked Ballack for asking a question! Moron! I cant stand Ballack either, but the ref did seem to have it in for them. Lampard was booked for mouting off at a free kick against them, and I watched an Everton player do the exact same thing 2nd half, no booking, interesting!
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Post by frag on Dec 27, 2008 13:08:09 GMT 1
Wigan's penalty wasn't a penalty - it should have been a free kick and a red card.
I'm not entirely sure about Newcastle's penalty either, mind.
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Post by Maximo Mark on Dec 27, 2008 16:08:28 GMT 1
I think Wigan's should've been a penalty. The defender pulled Heskey back but Heskey was still in control of the ball so let him have the advantage (which I think was correct, is the rule not let advantage play and go back to punish the defender later?). He then did it again in the box, although Heskey did fall down a bit easy, granted...
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Post by Tom on Dec 27, 2008 17:06:45 GMT 1
Wigan's penalty wasn't a penalty - it should have been a free kick and a red card. I'm not entirely sure about Newcastle's penalty either, mind. You do raise a good point (would have mentioned the incident myself anyway) but its almost laughable - the ref plays advantage (which is refreshing in itself) and still people complain apart from the fact it punished Newcastle more than it would have done. Would it have been a red card though had the free-kick been given? I'm not sure the defender was last man when the offence first occurred. Surely we should also praise Heskey for trying to stay on his feet, most other players would have gone down straight away. Apart from anything else Wigan gained from the advantage as Heskey was in a goalscoring position, so it may have been harsh to pull it back for the free-kick. Basically if Heskey had got his shot away the ref wouldnt have brought it back i don't think (unless Heskey had scored obviously!). Having gained from the advantage the decision was given for a new offence (ie foul in the box) My dad said the same about the Newcastle pen, but i thought it was, simply because the goalie seemed to take the player out. I think Wigan's should've been a penalty. The defender pulled Heskey back but Heskey was still in control of the ball so let him have the advantage (which I think was correct, is the rule not let advantage play and go back to punish the defender later?). He then did it again in the box, although Heskey did fall down a bit easy, granted... You've explained your point better than i did, but also i think the rule is play advantage and pull it back if no advantage is gained. There was a situation in the Preston-Birmingham game recently when players and fans didn't understand why a free-kick had been given after a perfectly good tackle, but the ref had pulled it back for the earlier foul.
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Post by frag on Jan 20, 2009 14:16:39 GMT 1
Neither of Villa's goals should have counted yesterday. Milner's was handballed, and for the penalty, the foul took place outside the box and Agbonlahor (I think) jumped into the box. Sunderland should have had a couple of penalties (also for handball) too.
Even if you apply the argument "Milner handballed, but he was fouled first, so should have been a penalty, and as Villa scored with a penalty they shouldn't have had, it is reasonable to suggest that they would have scored with the penalty they should have had", they still gained at least two points - assuming Sunderland would have missed both of their penalties.
Our third goal was offside, but that didn't matter in the end. In other news, Wigan should have had a penalty against Man City, proving that for some teams, things even themselves out. *sits back and waits for Villa's seven points gained by luck alone in recent weeks to even themselves out*
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Post by Panda on Jan 20, 2009 18:23:12 GMT 1
West Brom's first goal on Saturday shouldn't have counted, though they did go on to get 2 more... Who knows what might've happened if it had been 0-0 at half time...
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