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Post by frag on Jan 21, 2009 11:55:58 GMT 1
West Brom's first goal on Saturday shouldn't have counted, though they did go on to get 2 more... Who knows what might've happened if it had been 0-0 at half time... That's the problem with these things. But given Boro's form, I'd be tempted to say that WBA would still have won... |
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Post by suedehead on Jan 23, 2009 23:36:23 GMT 1
Neither of Villa's goals should have counted yesterday. Milner's was handballed, and for the penalty, the foul took place outside the box and Agbonlahor (I think) jumped into the box. Sunderland should have had a couple of penalties (also for handball) too. I think it would have been harsh to disallow the Milner goal. He headed it fist and it hit his arm on the way in. He couldn't have dived to head the ball with his arms by his side and I don't think any advantage was gained by it hitting his arm. |
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Post by frag on Feb 8, 2009 22:10:02 GMT 1
Eboué scored a goal today (before stupidly getting sent off), but it was disallowed for a completely non-existent foul. Undisputable right result: Spuds 0-1 Arsenal (not that we would have deserved it...)
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Post by Maximo Mark on Feb 9, 2009 0:18:06 GMT 1
I wouldn;'t have said completely undisputable. He did put his arms up and although harsh, Woodgate did end up falling over, how much because of it though I don't know. And the ref blew up well before he shot, the defenders on the line could certainly have put more effort to try and get it...
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Post by Panda on Feb 9, 2009 15:48:22 GMT 1
And the ref blew up well before he shot This is the key thing. If the ref's already blown before the player even shoots there's no way you can say the goal should stand. |
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Post by frag on Feb 9, 2009 20:35:46 GMT 1
1, defenders dive sometimes too, so the fact that he fell over was more a combination of diving and not looking where he was going, rather than Eboué almost touching him.
2, Cudicini still made a proper attempt to save the shot, so even if the ref did blow the whistle before the shot was played, it didn't make a difference to the action.
3, If the ref blows for a foul, he should sent himself off for denying Arsenal a clear goalscoring opportunity.
Now if only we could have competent referees/attackers and/or an end to this run of terrible luck with injuries (which now stretches back 3.5 years), I wouldn't be so bitter...
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Post by Panda on Feb 9, 2009 20:48:04 GMT 1
Poor Arsenal, they have it so tough...
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Post by Tom on Feb 14, 2009 11:10:19 GMT 1
Poor Arsenal, they have it so tough... And from what i saw (missed the first 25-30 mins) i don't think Arsenal deserved to win either...In fact Spurs possibly should have won when Arsenal went down to 10, they completely dominated after the sending off although Arsenal defended well. Im sorry frag but im with mark and mrh on this, who explained themselves better than i would have done. |
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Post by Maximo Mark on Apr 28, 2009 16:20:26 GMT 1
Been a long while since this was posted in but seems like a good time to bump it up now. Bendtner offside and impeding Jones' view for Arsenal's opener. Mascherano given a free-kick for seemingly tripping over his own feet for the free-kick for Liverpool's opener but more contraversially was our "finest ref" Howard Webb at Manchester United vs Tottenham. It seems that every part of the media are slating him and that giving the penalty has effectively handed United the title, but was it really that clear cut? I do think it was an incorrect decision but nowhere near the size of what most seem to be suggesting. It was a poor touch from Carrick which itself took the ball in a different direction and the touch Gomes got wasn't that obvious, maybe 25-30 degrees maximum. Defenders hardly gave him the best view anyway, it was only clear to everyone that it wasn't a penalty after two replays. And Gomes still took Carrick out, he didn't dive and was clattered. Outfield players still get penalised (rightly) for when they get the ball but still go through the man, why can't this be the same for goalkeepers? And whilst we're on the same subject if Webb had made correct decisions throughout the game it could easily have been more than a 3 goal victory anyway. It seems that everyone forgot the challenge by Palacios on Ronaldo at 0-0. If this isn't a sending off then not much is!  |
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Post by Panda on Apr 28, 2009 16:23:44 GMT 1
Outfield players still get penalised (rightly) for when they get the ball but still go through the man, why can't this be the same for goalkeepers? Because a gloved hand is much less likely to break someone's leg than a studded boot. If anything, the goalkeeper's more likely to get injured in that situation. |
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Post by Maximo Mark on Apr 28, 2009 16:33:41 GMT 1
But they often come in with their whole body, it's not really a huge majority of the time that it's the hand/arm that brings the player down, especially if they have touched the ball with their arm. The body of a 6ft, 14+st keeper coming into your legs isn't exactly something to look forward too either...
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Post by vastar iner on Apr 28, 2009 16:51:26 GMT 1
Howard Webb has been "punished" by being put in charge of our match at Reading. Our only previous experience of Mr Webb this season saw him deny us a penalty that even Stevie Wonder would have seen and give Wolves a goal with a beautifully threaded through-ball.  |
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Post by suedehead on Apr 28, 2009 22:19:18 GMT 1
Been a long while since this was posted in but seems like a good time to bump it up now. Bendtner offside and impeding Jones' view for Arsenal's opener. Mascherano given a free-kick for seemingly tripping over his own feet for the free-kick for Liverpool's opener but more contraversially was our "finest ref" Howard Webb at Manchester United vs Tottenham. It seems that every part of the media are slating him and that giving the penalty has effectively handed United the title, but was it really that clear cut? I do think it was an incorrect decision but nowhere near the size of what most seem to be suggesting. It was a poor touch from Carrick which itself took the ball in a different direction and the touch Gomes got wasn't that obvious, maybe 25-30 degrees maximum. Defenders hardly gave him the best view anyway, it was only clear to everyone that it wasn't a penalty after two replays. And Gomes still took Carrick out, he didn't dive and was clattered. Outfield players still get penalised (rightly) for when they get the ball but still go through the man, why can't this be the same for goalkeepers? And whilst we're on the same subject if Webb had made correct decisions throughout the game it could easily have been more than a 3 goal victory anyway. It seems that everyone forgot the challenge by Palacios on Ronaldo at 0-0. If this isn't a sending off then not much is! Agreed. The decision was wrong but it was hardly the worst decision ever which is how some commentators seemed to portray it. |
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Post by frag on Apr 29, 2009 10:41:45 GMT 1
Bendtner offside and impeding Jones' view for Arsenal's opener. Boro could well have had a penalty at 1-0, too. We got lucky in the first half, so it's a good thing Cesc made sure in the second. |
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Post by Panda on Apr 29, 2009 10:47:13 GMT 1
But they often come in with their whole body, it's not really a huge majority of the time that it's the hand/arm that brings the player down, especially if they have touched the ball with their arm. The body of a 6ft, 14+st keeper coming into your legs isn't exactly something to look forward too either... By that time, the forward's usually already throwing himself to the ground... |
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Post by Panda on Apr 29, 2009 10:49:44 GMT 1
Bendtner offside and impeding Jones' view for Arsenal's opener. It's Brad Jones. It wouldn't have made the slightest bit of difference. |
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Post by o on Apr 29, 2009 10:51:31 GMT 1
I have to say some of the comments from the commentators on setanta were awful, one of them was basically inferring he'd took a bung to give the penalty! My first thought was he'd got it wrong and the more I watched the replays, the more I thought he got it right! I agree with M Mark, he clattered Carrick, and got a vague touch on the ball, this was AFTER Carrick took the ball past the goalie! IF he'd touched the ball BEFORE Carrick, I'd agree no pen.
And that Pallacios challenge I missed until the replay, it was awful, I know no contact was made, but the intent was there surely?
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Post by Panda on Apr 29, 2009 12:44:23 GMT 1
For what it's worth, this is RightResult's current table:
(points change in brackets)
1. Man Utd 75 (-2)
2. Liverpool 73 (-1)
3. Chelsea 73 (+2)
4. Arsenal 60 (-5)
5. Aston Villa 56 (+1)
6. Everton 54 (+1)
7. Fulham 49 (+2)
8. Tottenham 44 (0)
9. West Ham 43 (-2)
10. Bolton 43 (+5)
11. Wigan 42 (+1)
12. Man City 41 (-3)
13. Portsmouth 39 (+1)
14. Middlesbrough 38 (+7)
15. Newcastle 36 (+5)
16. Hull 36 (+4)
17. Blackburn 34 (-3)
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18. Stoke 34 (-5)
19. Sunderland 33 (-2)
20. West Brom 27 (-1)
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Post by Tom on May 1, 2009 15:04:38 GMT 1
Been a long while since this was posted in but seems like a good time to bump it up now. Bendtner offside and impeding Jones' view for Arsenal's opener. Mascherano given a free-kick for seemingly tripping over his own feet for the free-kick for Liverpool's opener but more contraversially was our "finest ref" Howard Webb at Manchester United vs Tottenham. It seems that every part of the media are slating him and that giving the penalty has effectively handed United the title, but was it really that clear cut? I do think it was an incorrect decision but nowhere near the size of what most seem to be suggesting. It was a poor touch from Carrick which itself took the ball in a different direction and the touch Gomes got wasn't that obvious, maybe 25-30 degrees maximum. Defenders hardly gave him the best view anyway, it was only clear to everyone that it wasn't a penalty after two replays. And Gomes still took Carrick out, he didn't dive and was clattered. Outfield players still get penalised (rightly) for when they get the ball but still go through the man, why can't this be the same for goalkeepers? And whilst we're on the same subject if Webb had made correct decisions throughout the game it could easily have been more than a 3 goal victory anyway. It seems that everyone forgot the challenge by Palacios on Ronaldo at 0-0. If this isn't a sending off then not much is! Im of the opinion that Webb is the best ref in the country  Im glad you said that about the penalty in the Man U-Spurs game. At first i thought it was the wrong decision, but then when i saw the initial replay i wasnt so sure, and seemed to be the only one in the pub who felt that way... It was only after seeing another one or two replays that i thought it was the wrong decision. The surprising thing about it was that Webb is normally someone who seems to only give pens when he's absolutely sure. Very rarely does he give an incorrect pen (well i can't think of any others but im prob wrong!). On this occasion given how far away he was from the incident he can't have been sure, and he's normally right up with play too. Poll made an interesting observation in his Mail article at the start of the week that those refs who are given the cup final often then give penalties to the home team in their next game following the appointment. There were quite a few examples from the last decade or so. |
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Post by vastar iner on May 1, 2009 16:45:45 GMT 1
Very rarely does he give an incorrect pen (well i can't think of any others but im prob wrong!). One not given that he should have done. FA Cup earlier this season, when some Yammer basically tore Marcus Bent in half, Bent was carried off. No pen. Then again, we have only been given 1 penalty this season. Seems like you have to machete a Blues player's head off and present the bleeding visage to the referee for us to get an indirect free-kick. |
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Im glad you said that about the penalty in the Man U-Spurs game. At first i thought it was the wrong decision, but then when i saw the initial replay i wasnt so sure, and seemed to be the only one in the pub who felt that way... It was only after seeing another one or two replays that i thought it was the wrong decision. The surprising thing about it was that Webb is normally someone who seems to only give pens when he's absolutely sure. Very rarely does he give an incorrect pen (well i can't think of any others but im prob wrong!). On this occasion given how far away he was from the incident he can't have been sure, and he's normally right up with play too.