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Post by Mart!n on Jun 20, 2010 15:11:35 GMT 1
How embarrassing for the Italians, New Zealand just put one in the net
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Post by vastar iner on Jun 20, 2010 16:06:12 GMT 1
Don't worry, the Italians will get a New Zealander sent off before long.
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Post by Earl Purple on Jun 20, 2010 16:36:52 GMT 1
I thought the Italian penalty was rather soft, but then the New Zealand goal may have been offside so it balances out.
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Post by vastar iner on Jun 20, 2010 16:59:49 GMT 1
Yes, although it's amusing to call it a fair result when it ended in a draw. Biggest shock of this World Cup, I think.
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Post by Panda on Jun 20, 2010 17:05:32 GMT 1
I thought the Italian penalty was rather soft, but then the New Zealand goal may have been offside so it balances out. It was a soft penalty but a correct decision. He had his shirt pulled. It would be a foul anywhere else on the pitch so it should be in the box as well.
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Post by Panda on Jun 20, 2010 17:11:26 GMT 1
Group F - Nelspruit ITALY 1-1 NEW ZEALAND Goals: Iaquinta (pen) 29 Smeltz 7 Referee: Carlos Batres (Guatemala) 1. Paraguay 2-4 (+2) 2. Italy 2-2 (0) 2. New Zealand 2-2 (0) 4. Slovakia 2-1 (-2)
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Post by Chris on Jun 20, 2010 17:17:56 GMT 1
Yes, although it's amusing to call it a fair result when it ended in a draw. Biggest shock of this World Cup, I think. Still think Italy will qualify.
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Post by o on Jun 20, 2010 17:43:34 GMT 1
Get in NZ! Thoroughly deserved! So what happens if the remaining games are both same score draws meaning NZ and Italy are totally tied, straws? Surely not? And if Italy do come 2nd they play the Dutch I think, and I hope the Dutch dont choke and kick their asses out of the competition!
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Post by vastar iner on Jun 20, 2010 17:45:02 GMT 1
I thought the Italian penalty was rather soft, but then the New Zealand goal may have been offside so it balances out. It was a soft penalty but a correct decision. He had his shirt pulled. It would be a foul anywhere else on the pitch so it should be in the box as well. But De Rossi pulled Smith's shirt first, that's how he got behind him.
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Post by o on Jun 20, 2010 18:04:47 GMT 1
The thing is with shirt pulling is the lack of consistency with the refs, it goes on at every single corner and free kick, and yet penalties aren't given, and you're not telling me that the ref actually saw it? He was miles away. Imo if you are giving penalties for shirt pulling, you do it for every single one, not when you feel like it! A real clampdown might actually stop it happening!
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Post by Maximo Mark on Jun 20, 2010 18:53:56 GMT 1
Get in NZ! Thoroughly deserved! So what happens if the remaining games are both same score draws meaning NZ and Italy are totally tied, straws? Surely not? And if Italy do come 2nd they play the Dutch I think, and I hope the Dutch dont choke and kick their asses out of the competition! I believe lots will be drawn, the same if England draw 2-2 with Slovenia and Algeria - USA is goalless.
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Post by Chris on Jun 20, 2010 19:03:36 GMT 1
There's apparently going to be a crisis meeting tonight between Capello, the entire England squad and FA officials, some of whom have flown out especially for it. They'll reportedly watch the entire Algeria match and discuss where to go from here to beat Algeria. Capello's reported to have said he'll resign immediately if we fail to qualify from the group.
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Post by vastar iner on Jun 20, 2010 19:33:08 GMT 1
Get in NZ! Thoroughly deserved! So what happens if the remaining games are both same score draws meaning NZ and Italy are totally tied, straws? Surely not? And if Italy do come 2nd they play the Dutch I think, and I hope the Dutch dont choke and kick their asses out of the competition! I believe lots will be drawn, the same if England draw 2-2 with Slovenia and Algeria - USA is goalless. Which, when you think about it, is insane. There's plenty of time for a replay. They did it in the past, after all.
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Post by suedehead on Jun 20, 2010 19:44:02 GMT 1
I believe lots will be drawn, the same if England draw 2-2 with Slovenia and Algeria - USA is goalless. Which, when you think about it, is insane. There's plenty of time for a replay. They did it in the past, after all. The relevant 2nd round games are on Saturday and Sunday so there isn't time for a replay.
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Post by vastar iner on Jun 20, 2010 20:26:10 GMT 1
We're only talking about 2nd place, I don't think there can be a tie for first. How about Friday? 12.30pm? Or how about building a day into the schedule? It's hardly rocket science.
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Post by frag on Jun 20, 2010 21:07:04 GMT 1
We're only talking about 2nd place, I don't think there can be a tie for first. How about Friday? 12.30pm? Or how about building a day into the schedule? It's hardly rocket science. The schedule is pretty tight already - they would have to extend the competition by a week if they wanted to include time for possible replays. It was easier in the past when there were only 16 teams. One thing they could do is consider things like fair play ranking, or number of yellow/red cards. In other news, my housemate (a Chelsea fan) is extremely excited that Drogba just scored.
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Post by suedehead on Jun 20, 2010 21:25:45 GMT 1
We're only talking about 2nd place, I don't think there can be a tie for first. How about Friday? 12.30pm? Or how about building a day into the schedule? It's hardly rocket science. The schedule is pretty tight already - they would have to extend the competition by a week if they wanted to include time for possible replays. It was easier in the past when there were only 16 teams. One thing they could do is consider things like fair play ranking, or number of yellow/red cards. In other news, my housemate (a Chelsea fan) is extremely excited that Drogba just scored. Yellow and red cards would be fine as long as all decisions can be appealed. Kaka's second yellow card tonight for example.
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Post by Mart!n on Jun 20, 2010 21:27:33 GMT 1
Kaka deserved that red card, that was a bookable offence for elbowing.
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Post by frag on Jun 20, 2010 21:30:06 GMT 1
The schedule is pretty tight already - they would have to extend the competition by a week if they wanted to include time for possible replays. It was easier in the past when there were only 16 teams. One thing they could do is consider things like fair play ranking, or number of yellow/red cards. In other news, my housemate (a Chelsea fan) is extremely excited that Drogba just scored. Yellow and red cards would be fine as long as all decisions can be appealed. Kaka's second yellow card tonight for example. Yes, given that yellow cards matter a lot more in the World Cup than in the league (2 for a suspension rather than 5), they should be appealable. Fair play ranking would also, if the UEFA system is used, encourage positive play and respect towards opponents/officials.
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Post by Maximo Mark on Jun 20, 2010 21:32:33 GMT 1
Keita's reaction was disgraceful, but the Brazilians deserved it I think because they'd been doing that all night long. By far the worst team for gamesmanhip, absolutely dreadful.
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