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Post by suedehead on Jul 11, 2010 21:20:06 GMT 1
Bloody hell Howard Webb, this is probably one of the worst referring performance ever in a World Cup final! How so? Yes, de Jong should have been sent off but I suspect any referee would have been reluctant to show a red card so early in a World Cup final.
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Post by suedehead on Jul 11, 2010 21:20:57 GMT 1
Spain and the Netherlands have a penalty shoot-out record to match England's. If it goes to penalties it could go on all night.
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Post by Chris on Jul 11, 2010 21:23:01 GMT 1
I'm confused. BBC commentator says it's Golden Goal time next but DS guys say no, golden goal isn't valid any more and the full 30 min must be played. Who is right? Can't see BBC being wrong!!
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Post by suedehead on Jul 11, 2010 21:34:48 GMT 1
I'm confused. BBC commentator says it's Golden Goal time next but DS guys say no, golden goal isn't valid any more and the full 30 min must be played. Who is right? Can't see BBC being wrong!! He meant that a goal scored at the time (in the dying seconds of normal time) would win the game simply because there would have been so little time left.
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Post by Chris on Jul 11, 2010 21:38:33 GMT 1
I see Suedey. Yeah still has to be the full 30 min of ET. I hope it's penalties as I like them.
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Post by Chris on Jul 11, 2010 21:58:22 GMT 1
Go Spain!!!!!
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Post by Panda on Jul 11, 2010 22:08:26 GMT 1
Totally deserved for Spain. Holland's sole tactic seemed to be to kick the sh*t out of the Spanish players.
Very difficult game for Howard Webb but he got most of the decisions right. I agree with suedehead, he would've been reluctant to send anyone off, particularly in the first half.
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Post by Panda on Jul 11, 2010 22:11:48 GMT 1
Final - Johannesburg (Soccer City) NETHERLANDS 0-1 SPAIN (After Extra Time) Goal: Iniesta 116 Red card: Heitinga 109 Referee: Howard Webb (England)
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Post by o on Jul 11, 2010 22:16:24 GMT 1
I think Webb did well under awful Dirty Dutch tactics, I actually though De Jong was going for the ball, but it looks different on the reply, unless Webb sees the intent how can he send him off? And yes the right team won, but Robben should have scored for the Dutch! Just a shame we couldn't have had a Spanish goal in the first half, then maybe we'd have seen what the Dutch had to offer rather than kicking and tripping everyone in sight!
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Post by Chris on Jul 11, 2010 22:20:01 GMT 1
Brazil to win at home in 2014.
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Post by Panda on Jul 11, 2010 22:26:25 GMT 1
Brazil to win at home in 2014. They'll have to be a lot better than they were this year but they are likely to start as favourites.
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Post by suedehead on Jul 11, 2010 22:32:30 GMT 1
Brazil to win at home in 2014. They'll have to be a lot better than they were this year but they are likely to start as favourites. I would guess Brazil would be favourites at the moment as they've already qualified with Germany second.
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Post by Maximo Mark on Jul 11, 2010 22:36:29 GMT 1
I don't think Howard Webb did much wrong, the players made it a very hard game to ref. Every card was worthy of a booking, maybe Robben, De Jong and Van Bommel could've been sent off. Glad Spain won, the Dutch made it a very poor spectacle.
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Post by Mart!n on Jul 11, 2010 22:41:26 GMT 1
The first half of the game was a bit of a downer, second half was a lot better, it was scrappy and messy all the way, but I think the right team won on the night. England to win in 2014
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Post by suedehead on Jul 11, 2010 23:07:28 GMT 1
I don't think Howard Webb did much wrong, the players made it a very hard game to ref. Every card was worthy of a booking, maybe Robben, De Jong and Van Bommel could've been sent off. Glad Spain won, the Dutch made it a very poor spectacle. And the players who made it particularly difficult were mostly Dutch. I'm sure we all hoped Webb wouldn't have many difficult decisions. The Dutch made sure that he had a lot. I saw the 1974 and 78 World Cups where the Dutch were a delight to watch so their tactics tonight really saddened me. They reminded me too much of Argentina in the 1990 final.
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Post by o on Jul 12, 2010 8:51:56 GMT 1
I think Argentina will do well in 2014, and who knows if Urugual can find someone to replace Forlan then they should do well on "home" soil as well. Here's a great quote from the Dutch coach! "I don't think the referee controlled the match well," said Van Marwijk. So you agree he should have sent off De Jong for the Kung Fu challenge and Robben for 2 yellows for dissent and kicking the ball away? I think all refs in finals should try and let the game flow, the problem was the Dutch didn't want that! I also think you should try not to send people off, and I dont think he saw the De Jong challenge clearly? Or maybe decided there wasn't intent? Anyway, I'd love to hear what the Spanish coach and the ref have to say on the Dutch tactics...the bbc pundits summed it up very well! What beautiful game, cant compare this team to the Cruyff one of the 70s!
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Post by Robin on Jul 12, 2010 11:47:47 GMT 1
I have to say I'm a bit disappointed with the BBC's totally biased commentary in favour of Spain. Since when, as a nation, were we supporting Spain. Surely the BBC are supposed to be impartial, but certainly Hansen and Shearer were totally pro-Spain. Even the highlights at half-time only focused on the Dutch fouls and didn't even show Ramos's really nasty tackle! A poor show and i'm quite glad the World Cup is now over!! I can't remember enjoying many games really.
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Post by o on Jul 12, 2010 12:40:19 GMT 1
Did Ramos get booked? Did he deserve to be sent off?
I think you'll find the Dutch had a tactic of kicking the Spanish up in the air, whereas the Spanish occasionally fouled the Dutch. The Dutch beat Spain on the foul count 28-18, ouch!
I was watching the game, wanting a good game of footy from both teams, the Dutch didn't provide that, and were nasty and niggly, I dont think that is biased reporting.
There were some awful games, especially early doors, but as the draw progressed, the games on the whole got better, and I've really enjoyed it, I still say they earn far too much though, and what legacy will South Africa be left with? Who's going to use these stadiums, or will the majority just become white elephants, until they build some more in Brazil in 4 years time?
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Post by Panda on Jul 12, 2010 13:00:36 GMT 1
and what legacy will South Africa be left with? Who's going to use these stadiums, or will the majority just become white elephants, until they build some more in Brazil in 4 years time? Well the Springboks are going to play at Soccer City in the Tri-Nations, so that's a start...
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Post by Tom on Jul 12, 2010 16:08:21 GMT 1
Agree with mrh and sudehead on Webb.
I'd like to pass on my apologies to everyone. It appears i was a curse for the WC, watched 10 games (although Uruguay-Ghana was only the 2nd half of ET) and only 3 at most were above average. Pretty much all the rest were sh*t quite frankly. Was planning to watch a lot more, so with hindsight its just as well I didn't really! Share similar opinion to Robin, i'm actually starting to wonder whether I can be bothered with the WC, overhyped and all-consuming, (i've said that about the Premiership in the past) especially where England are concerned, and this is coming from a massive football fan. Doesn't exactly change my views on club v country, and even a mate who is an avid England fan is starting to come round to that way of thinking too, which says it all really.
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