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Post by suedehead on May 23, 2017 9:43:38 GMT 1
I think you're right about the Europa League. In other words, we get one extra Champions League place and lose a Europa League place as a result.
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Post by frag on May 23, 2017 15:15:55 GMT 1
If Man United win the Europa League, then their spot for next season is vacated (and not replaced by another English side). I take that as meaning that their spot in the group stage won't be filled by the next highest-ranked English side (Everton), but will instead by filled by a cup winner from a lower-ranked nation - Fastav Zlin of Czech Republic. Incidentally, the knock-on effect of this means that Aberdeen would also move up from the 1st qualifying round to the 2nd.
FA and League Cup runners up no longer get a Europa League place. The ranking is as follows: * FA Cup winners * 5th place * League Cup winners
Although of course with the cup winners either in the CL or finishing 5th, and with the League Cup winners finishing 6th, that collapses down to 5th, 6th, 7th place.
Arsenal will be in the Group Stage, while Everton will be in the 3rd Qualifying Round. Man United will also be in the Group Stage, if they lose tomorrow.
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Post by Shireblogger on May 23, 2017 18:02:07 GMT 1
^^^ Thank you all for your responses. It's hard to justify why Southampton, as 8th place finisher and League Cup runners-up, should merit a place in Europe. But I enjoy my midweek European nights so much, I was hopeful there'd be a way in next year.
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Post by Earl Purple on May 23, 2017 20:09:01 GMT 1
If Manchester United win the Europa Cup I don't know if the next placed team (which I think is Southampton) qualify or if we get 5 CL places but only 2 Europa ones.
Southampton are 8th by being top of a big pack of teams and they lost more games than they won. This season has really seen a "divide" between the big clubs and the smaller ones, shown by Arsenal getting 75 points yet still finishing only 5th.
And they said the gap was narrowing due to smaller teams getting big payments thus affording good players.
But Leicester (even moderately), West Ham and Southampton failed to show the kind of competition against the big teams they did last season, and all of them are in that middle "pack".
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Post by Panda on May 24, 2017 1:27:56 GMT 1
FA and League Cup runners up no longer get a Europa League place. League Cup runners-up never did. The place always went to the 6th placed team if the winners qualified for Europe via other means.
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Post by Earl Purple on May 24, 2017 7:25:01 GMT 1
The FA Cup runners-up is historical from when the FA Cup winners played in the cup-winners cup, but the European Cup (later the Champions League) was considered a better tournament, however the UEFA or Fairs cup as there was prior to that was considered inferior.
The Cup-Winners Cup and the UEFA Cup merged (I think Chelsea were the last Cup-Winners Cup winners in 1998) and later became the Europa League.
In the earlier days, only the champions went into the European Cup which meant there were major teams in the other competitions too. As it turned into the Champions League and more teams were playing in it, the Europa Cup became greatly diminished in stature.
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Post by Shireblogger on May 24, 2017 10:08:11 GMT 1
The Cup-Winners Cup and the UEFA Cup merged (I think Chelsea were the last Cup-Winners Cup winners in 1998) and later became the Europa League [and] became greatly diminished in stature. As demonstrated by this year's final. Not so long ago a Man Utd vs Ajax European Cup Final would have really whetted the appetite. Now both clubs are living off past glories and the Europa League Final is a sideshow which is only of interest to their own fans.
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Post by Earl Purple on May 24, 2017 10:38:12 GMT 1
Even a UEFA cup final between the clubs would have done, in the 1980s or 1990s.
Nobody even remembers that Chelsea won the Europa League in 2013, people only remember that they didn't get through their group when they were defending their Champions League win of the previous season (one they wouldn't have qualified for in the old rules, nor would Manchester United have qualified for 1999 nor Liverpool for 2005 as neither were champions the previous season nor holders).
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Post by frag on May 28, 2017 23:48:03 GMT 1
Remaining issues to be sorted... Wednesday 24 MayMan United will be in the Champions League if they win the Europa League final. Thursday 25 MayDundee United v Hamilton Academical in the first leg of the SPL-Championship play-off final. Sunday 28 MaySecond leg: Hamilton v Dundee UnitedLeague Two play-off final: Blackpool v ExeterMonday 29 MayChampionship play-off final: Huddersfield v ReadingAnd then we have a wait of just over two weeks until the 2017/18 Premier League fixtures are announced (14 June), and an extra week until the Football League fixtures are announced (21 June). So... Man United qualified for the Champions League, and Blackpool return to League One. Hamilton beat Dundee United, so both clubs remain in their respective divisions.
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Post by frag on May 29, 2017 20:44:46 GMT 1
The European qualifiers from the British & Irish nations are now known. Here are the Champions League qualifiers, along with their past European form:
First Qualifying Round
Europa FC (GIB): CL Debut after 3 seasons in the Europa League (1Q,1Q,2Q) The New Saints (WAL): 6th CL season in a row. Each previous time, they were eliminated in the 2nd qualifying round. Linfield (NIR): 14th European appearance in a row, winning 5 ties in that time (but 4 in the past 5 years)
Second Qualifying Round
Dundalk (IRE): 3rd CL season in a row; reached the play-off round last season, followed by finishing bottom of their Europa League group. Celtic (SCO): 17th Champions League appearance in a row. During that time they've reached the group stage 9 times, and the round of 16 three times.
Play Off Round
Liverpool (ENG): 2nd appearance since 2010. Knocked out at group stage in 2014/15.
Group Stage
Chelsea (ENG): Return after missing last year broke a run of 13 appearances, failing in the group stage only once. Winners in 2012. Tottenham (ENG): Second appearance in a row (16/17: Group Stage) and third overall. Man City (ENG): Seventh appearance in a row, semi-finalists in 15/16. Man United (ENG): 21st appearance. Winners in 1999 and 2008 but haven't passed group stage in 3 years (DNQ, GS, DNQ)
Europa League participants:
First Qualifying Round: Lincoln Red Imps & St Joseph's (GIB); Bala Town, Connah's Quay, Bangor City (WAL); Crusaders, Coleraine, Ballymena (NIR); Cork, Derry, Shamrock (IRE); Rangers, St Johnstone (SCO)
Second Qualifying Round: Aberdeen (SCO)
Third Qualifying Round: Everton (ENG)
Group Stage: Arsenal (ENG)
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