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Post by Panda on Aug 1, 2020 13:41:46 GMT 1
Sheffield Wednesday should've been thrown out of the league.
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Post by o on Aug 1, 2020 14:54:52 GMT 1
But they didn't do this alone did they, wasn't there at least three other teams including Derby, punish them all at the same time surely? Giving Sheff Weds the punishment next season is a slap in the face to Wigan though, just makes no sense at all!
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Post by Robbie on Aug 2, 2020 9:10:59 GMT 1
Eddie Howe leaves Bournemouth by mutual consent after relegation
Bournemouth manager Eddie Howe has left the club by mutual consent after their relegation from the Premier League.
The 42-year-old led the Cherries in more than 450 games across two spells spanning more than a decade.
The Englishman, who leaves after talking to club officials on Saturday, said he believes it is "the right time for the club to have a change".
Bournemouth's five-year stay in the top flight ended despite a 3-1 win at Everton on the final day of the season.
It's sad, but expected, news. Howe has been a great manager (and player too) for the club. However a club like Bournemouth will always struggle in the Premier League due to the fact they haven't got the funds to compete. In addition having a ground that holds less than 11,000 means they would always be struggling to attract investment and income.
Hopefully Bournemouth can bounce back but spending big in order to compete in the EPL and then getting relegated means that finances will be very tight.
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Post by Razzle Dazzle on Aug 2, 2020 9:25:37 GMT 1
Didn't they fail FFP in their promotion year and the EFL are just waiting until they came back down before then can punish them. It was 5 year ago so the details are hazy but if that's the case they are in huge trouble because they owe 81m for previous transfers still and look like losing close to 80m tv revenue too
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Post by Shireblogger on Aug 2, 2020 9:27:13 GMT 1
Bournemouth might be in trouble. They'll be selling quite a few of their better players this summer, and the not unexpected departure of Howe is a blow.
However, I assume any club with parachute payments will be at a phenomenal advantage compared to the rest for season 2020/21, as it seems highly unlikely there will be any major crowds at stadia for some time. Without large numbers of spectators, I can't see how many of the Championship teams will be able to balance the books, never mind compete for promotion.
As for Eddie Howe - there is no obvious next job for him at the moment. All of the Big 6, with the possible exception of Spurs, will be happy with their incumbent. Everton won't be changing again for a while, nor will Newcastle until the ownership situation gets sorted. So that leaves him potentially looking at second tier Premier Division teams - Leicester, Wolves, Burnley, Southampton, Sheffield Utd, Villa and Palace all look to be content for now. I can't see him seeing a switch to the likes of Brighton or West Ham as a good move. And he'd be barmy to go to one of the "big" Championship clubs, such as Forest, or even Sunderland. Which suggests his next job could be abroad.
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Post by suedehead on Aug 2, 2020 9:44:01 GMT 1
I wouldn't rule out the possibility of Roy Hodgson choosing to retire.
Eddie Howe has been a great servant to Bournemouth for most of the last 25 years so it is sad to see him go. However, I suspect the "mutual consent" phrase might actually be reasonably close to the truth in this case. It has been obvious over the last few months how much the club means to him - he looked totally deflated after the dodgy VAR decisions in the game against Burnley.
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Post by o on Aug 2, 2020 10:11:08 GMT 1
There were times in the 2nd half of the FA Cup yesterday when I looked forward to the drinks break, as it was more exciting than what was on the pitch. Dont get me wrong, 1st half was very entertaining at times, but equally the 2nd half was an absolute dullfest at times, and that 2nd yellow for the red card, absolutely awful decision, but when players go down screaming and yelling and quite often gesticulating to the officials, then you know they have been duped. How many times do they bounce back up once the card has been shown, awful what football has become. And it's not cheating or time wasting, it's game management, no it will always be cheating and time wasting to me. Harrogate v Notts County today at 3pm for a place in the 92 next season. Either way I get a ground back added to the list of grounds I've been to.
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Post by Earl Purple on Aug 2, 2020 10:21:42 GMT 1
It's ridiculous they can't use VAR for a second yellow, as it wasn't even a foul.
Parachute payments are there to help them pay the players in the team who are on high wages, it is not intended for them to use to gain a huge advantage in the transfer market, although it can do so. Huddersfield were nowhere near promotion this season, though both Fulham and Cardiff reached the playoffs. Stoke have been poor since they were relegated and Sunderland got a second relegation and have been stuck in League One for 2 season now about to play a 3rd there.
The whole way finances run in football is getting out of hand, but that's the problem of trying to be competitive.
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Post by Razzle Dazzle on Aug 2, 2020 11:48:58 GMT 1
Parachute payments are useless these days, 5 of the last 9 Premiership teams to be relegated have nearly double dropped with Sunderland actually manging back to back relegations
Don't forget Hull were relegated the same season as Sunderland and they are joining them in League 1 and Boro were in the top flight 2 year ago and survived by a combination of Neil Warnock, luck and points deductions for their rivals, so that's 5 teams who have came 15th or lower since their relegation
Hull (18th, 13th, 24th) Huddersfield (18th) Boro (7th, 17th) Stoke (16th, 15th) Sunderland (24th, League 1, League 1)
Looking at parachute payments of around 42m? but with no other real income the times of that giving a club an advantage are long gone, Bournemouth's wage bill is 110m (according to the Telegraph) and they owe other clubs net 81m because of poor transfer strategies (buy now pay over 4 year+buy for 20m sell for £0) so they are looking at a 150m black hole in their finances imo
Their only option is to sell sell sell which is what Sunderland did but they had the advantage of a 50,000 stadium and your selling the most likely players to get you back up which is never a great combination, the teams that bounce back are all well run like Norwich or have ultra rich chairmen willing to invest heavily like Fulham/Villa
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Post by vastar iner on Aug 2, 2020 12:31:06 GMT 1
It will be a season which lives long in the memory of football fans, because it was so unusual, but it wasn't a classic one. With due respect to Liverpool fans, it is the worst season I can ever recall. Same 6 teams as always qualify for Europe, 4 of the 5 least likeable teams and fans in the FA Cup semis (and the 5th is hardly likely to get so far), cheating b*st*rds staying up thanks to an "error", just dire stuff throughout.
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Post by Earl Purple on Aug 2, 2020 13:12:34 GMT 1
Leicester don't usually qualify for Europe. They may be disappointed though in only getting Europa Cup but whilst they did well in the Champions League last time, they might not even have got through the qualifying stage this season.
Arsenal have now become an FA Cup team since they no longer are anywhere near close to challening for the title, and 4 wins since 2014 is not bad really. They may have finished below Spurs 4 seasons running but have won 2 FA Cups in this time whilst Spurs remain trophy-less. They've also reached 2 other cup finals. Spurs did reach one - the Champions League final in 2019, but they lost it.
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Post by suedehead on Aug 2, 2020 14:56:45 GMT 1
Leicester don't usually qualify for Europe. They may be disappointed though in only getting Europa Cup but whilst they did well in the Champions League last time, they might not even have got through the qualifying stage this season. Arsenal have now become an FA Cup team since they no longer are anywhere near close to challening for the title, and 4 wins since 2014 is not bad really. They may have finished below Spurs 4 seasons running but have won 2 FA Cups in this time whilst Spurs remain trophy-less. They've also reached 2 other cup finals. Spurs did reach one - the Champions League final in 2019, but they lost it. All four English teams go straight into the group stage of the CL without having to bother with any qualifying rounds.
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Post by Earl Purple on Aug 2, 2020 15:14:45 GMT 1
Yes I guess most seasons it's big 6 with 4 of them in the CL, and one other in the Europa, so this year it's Liverpool, Man City, Chelsea and Manchester United in CL and Spurs and Arsenal in the Europa, with Leicester the "extra" team in Europa.
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Post by Panda on Aug 2, 2020 15:58:57 GMT 1
Boro were in the top flight 2 year ago and survived by a combination of Neil Warnock, luck and points deductions for their rivals, so that's 5 teams who have came 15th or lower since their relegation Hull (18th, 13th, 24th) Huddersfield (18th) Boro (7th, 17th) Stoke (16th, 15th) Sunderland (24th, League 1, League 1) Boro have been in the Championship for three seasons. They finished 5th the season after relegation (lost to Villa in the playoffs) when Pulis took over after Garry Monk had been sacked for (allegedly) pocketing wads of the transfer budget. As they only spent one season in the Premier League, they only got parachute payments for two seasons.
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Post by Panda on Aug 2, 2020 16:03:01 GMT 1
One thing that seems to have been forgotten - the Europa League winners qualify for the Champions League next season so Wolves still have a chance, with England possibly having 5 clubs.
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Post by suedehead on Aug 2, 2020 16:32:42 GMT 1
One thing that seems to have been forgotten - the Europa League winners qualify for the Champions League next season so Wolves still have a chance, with England possibly having 5 clubs. If the league was decided on the lowest average wage bill per player for each point gained, Wolves would already be in the Champions League along with the runaway champions Sheffield Utd, Burnley and Brighton. Time for a change in the rules
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Post by Panda on Aug 2, 2020 16:57:07 GMT 1
Harrogate Town beat Notts County 3-1 in the National League playoff final to win promotion to the Football League for the first time (and in the process double the number of North Yorkshire clubs in the league).
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Post by o on Aug 2, 2020 17:14:40 GMT 1
Get in, brilliant game, funny to think where they have come from, Railway used to be the bigger team! I hear they are ground sharing with York at their new ground while the grass gets laid at Wetherby Road. Better team won, sure County will go up automatically next year! Middlesbrough is Teeside to me
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Post by Panda on Aug 2, 2020 17:18:30 GMT 1
Get in, brilliant game, funny to think where they have come from, Railway used to be the bigger team! I hear they are ground sharing with York at their new ground while the grass gets laid at Wetherby Road. Better team won, sure County will go up automatically next year! Middlesbrough is Teeside to me Teesside (2 s's) has never been a county though. Middlesbrough was part of Cleveland from the mid 70s to the mid 90s but after it was abolished, it returned to the traditional boundaries for ceremonial purposes. As a little quirk with the whole county thing, because of their proximity within North Yorkshire, the Harrogate clubs (and Knaresborough) are affiliated to the West Riding FA, rather than North Riding, so we never get to play them in the county cup.
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Post by o on Aug 2, 2020 17:22:11 GMT 1
Sam tells me 16 Yorkshire clubs have played in the Football League, we've named 15, who are we missing? We even got Darlo, Scarborough and Bradford Park Avenue!
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