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Post by Panda on Sept 1, 2023 15:16:25 GMT 1
This gets underway next Friday in France. The All Blacks are looking for a 3rd title in 4 tournaments, South Africa are aiming to become the first team to lift the cup 4 times, France are looking to become champions for the first time and are on home soil, Ireland go into the competition ranked no.1 in the world but have an appalling record in the World Cup, having never made the semi-finals. Outside of those four, Argentina look to be the best of the rest right now and could well make the final 4. England, Wales and Australia are in absolute disarray right now but World Rugby's idiotic decision to have the draw 3 years before the tournament means one of those 3 bunches of dimwitted buffoons will probably reach the semis. Scotland, on the other hand, are continuing to improve but have the misfortune of being in the same group as the top 2 in the world (see previous comment about World Rugby being idiots). This tournament sees Chile appearing for the first time, the first debutants since Russia in 2011. They qualified after a dramatic playoff win over the USA, while Canada have failed to qualify for the first time. Portugal appear for the first time since 2007 while Romania return after being disqualified from qualification for the last World Cup. Pool stage draw: (current world rankings in first brackets) [world rankings at the time of the draw in square brackets, automatic qualifiers only] POOL A New Zealand (4) [2] France (3) [7] Italy (13) [12] Uruguay (17) Namibia (21) POOL B South Africa (2) [1] Ireland (1) [5] Scotland (5) [9] Tonga (15) Romania (19) POOL C Wales (10) [4] Australia (9) [6] Fiji (7) [11] Georgia (11) Portugal (16) POOL D England (8) [3] Japan (14) [8] Argentina (6) [10] Samoa (12) Chile (22) QUARTER-FINALS: Winner C v Runner-up D Winner B v Runner-up A Winner D v Runner-up C Winner A v Runner-up B
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Post by Panda on Sept 1, 2023 15:20:37 GMT 1
Tournament based on world rankings:
Quarter-finals: Fiji v England Ireland v New Zealand Argentina v Australia France v South Africa
Semi-finals: Fiji v Ireland Argentina v South Africa
Final: Ireland v South Africa
Champions: Ireland
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Post by Panda on Sept 1, 2023 15:51:28 GMT 1
TOURNAMENT RECORDS OF THE 20 TEAMS: NEW ZEALAND1987: Winners 1991: Semi-finals 1995: Runners-up 1999: Semi-finals 2003: Semi-finals 2007: Quarter-finals 2011: Winners 2015: Winners 2019: Semi-finals P56 W49 L7 FRANCE1987: Runners-up 1991: Quarter-finals 1995: Semi-finals 1999: Runners-up 2003: Semi-finals 2007: Semi-finals 2011: Runners-up 2015: Quarter-finals 2019: Quarter-finals P52 W36 D1 L15 ITALY1987: Pool stage 1991: Pool stage 1995: Pool stage 1999: Pool stage 2003: Pool stage 2007: Pool stage 2011: Pool stage 2015: Pool stage 2019: Pool stage P31 W13 L18 URUGUAY1999: Pool stage 2003: Pool stage 2015: Pool stage 2019: Pool stage P15 W3 L12 NAMIBIA1999: Pool stage 2003: Pool stage 2007: Pool stage 2011: Pool stage 2015: Pool stage 2019: Pool stage P22 W0 L22 SOUTH AFRICA1995: Winners 1999: Semi-finals 2003: Quarter-finals 2007: Winners 2011: Quarter-finals 2015: Semi-finals 2019: Winners P43 W36 L7 IRELAND1987: Quarter-finals 1991: Quarter-finals 1995: Quarter-finals 1999: Playoff round 2003: Quarter-finals 2007: Pool stage 2011: Quarter-finals 2015: Quarter-finals 2019: Quarter-finals P40 W24 L16 SCOTLAND1987: Quarter-finals 1991: Semi-finals 1995: Quarter-finals 1999: Quarter-finals 2003: Quarter-finals 2007: Quarter-finals 2011: Pool stage 2015: Quarter-finals 2019: Pool stage P42 W24 D1 L17 TONGA1987: Pool stage 1995: Pool stage 1999: Pool stage 2003: Pool stage 2007: Pool stage 2011: Pool stage 2015: Pool stage 2019: Pool stage P29 W8 L21 ROMANIA1987: Pool stage 1991: Pool stage 1995: Pool stage 1999: Pool stage 2003: Pool stage 2007: Pool stage 2011: Pool stage 2015: Pool stage P28 W6 L22 WALES1987: Semi-finals 1991: Pool stage 1995: Pool stage 1999: Quarter-finals 2003: Quarter-finals 2007: Pool stage 2011: Semi-finals 2015: Quarter-finals 2019: Semi-finals P45 W26 L19 AUSTRALIA1987: Semi-finals 1991: Winners 1995: Quarter-finals 1999: Winners 2003: Runners-up 2007: Quarter-finals 2011: Semi-finals 2015: Runners-up 2019: Quarter-finals P53 W42 L11 FIJI1987: Quarter-finals 1991: Pool stage 1999: Playoff round 2003: Pool stage 2007: Quarter-finals 2011: Pool stage 2015: Pool stage 2019: Pool stage P32 W11 L21 GEORGIA2003: Pool stage 2007: Pool stage 2011: Pool stage 2015: Pool stage 2019: Pool stage P20 W5 L15 PORTUGAL2007: Pool stage P4 W0 L4 ENGLAND1987: Quarter-finals 1991: Runners-up 1995: Semi-finals 1999: Quarter-finals 2003: Winners 2007: Runners-up 2011: Quarter-finals 2015: Pool stage 2019: Runners-up P50 W36 L14 JAPAN1987: Pool stage 1991: Pool stage 1995: Pool stage 1999: Pool stage 2003: Pool stage 2007: Pool stage 2011: Pool stage 2015: Pool stage 2019: Quarter-finals P33 W8 D2 L23 ARGENTINA1987: Pool stage 1991: Pool stage 1995: Pool stage 1999: Quarter-finals 2003: Pool stage 2007: Semi-finals 2011: Quarter-finals 2015: Semi-finals 2019: Pool stage P41 W21 L20 SAMOA1991: Quarter-finals 1995: Quarter-finals 1999: Playoff round 2003: Pool stage 2007: Pool stage 2011: Pool stage 2015: Pool stage 2019: Pool stage P32 W14 L18 CHILEdebutants
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Post by Panda on Sept 1, 2023 15:54:20 GMT 1
Odds to win the World Cup:
3/1 New Zealand 100/30 France 9/2 South Africa 5/1 Ireland 14/1 Australia 16/1 England 28/1 Argentina 50/1 Scotland 50/1 Wales 150/1 Fiji 500/1 Japan 500/1 Samoa 750/1 Italy 1000/1 Tonga 1000/1 Georgia 5000/1 Portugal 5000/1 Chile 5000/1 Namibia 5000/1 Uruguay 5000/1 Romania
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Post by Panda on Sept 1, 2023 16:01:12 GMT 1
Past finals: (hosts in brackets)
1987: New Zealand 29-9 France (New Zealand) 1991: Australia 12-6 England (England) 1995: South Africa 15-12 New Zealand (South Africa) 1999: Australia 35-12 France (Wales) 2003: England 20-17 Australia (Australia) 2007: South Africa 15-6 England (France) 2011: New Zealand 8-7 France (New Zealand) 2015: New Zealand 34-17 Australia (England) 2019: South Africa 32-12 England (Japan)
Record in finals: Australia P4 W2 L2 England P4 W1 L3 France P3 W0 L3 New Zealand P4 W3 L1 South Africa P3 W3 L0
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Post by paulgilb on Sept 2, 2023 0:16:26 GMT 1
England, Wales and Australia are in absolute disarray right now but World Rugby's idiotic decision to have the draw 3 years before the tournament means one of those 3 bunches of dimwitted buffoons will probably reach the semis. And 8 years ago these 3 teams were in the 'Pool of Death'.
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Post by Panda on Sept 7, 2023 23:56:37 GMT 1
Previous opening games:
1987: New Zealand 70-6 Italy 1991: England 12-18 New Zealand 1995: South Africa 27-18 Australia 1999: Wales 23-18 Argentina 2003: Australia 24-8 Argentina 2007: France 12-17 Argentina 2011: New Zealand 41-10 Tonga 2015: England 35-11 Fiji 2019: Japan 30-10 Russia
The opening match always involves the hosts, though in 1991 and 1995 this match also happened to be against the defending champions. The hosts have won the opening match on 7 occasions, losing twice.
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Post by Panda on Sept 8, 2023 20:50:07 GMT 1
Average finishing position/ranking at World Cups: 1. New Zealand 2.556 (9 tournaments - highest ranking 1 - lowest ranking 5) 2. South Africa 2.714 (7 - 1 - 5) 3. Australia 3.444 (9 - 1 - 7) 4. France 4.111 (9 - 2 - 8) 5. England 4.222 (9 - 1 - 10) 6. Scotland 6.889 (9 - 4 - 10) 6. Wales 6.889 (9 - 3 - 11) 8. Ireland 7.222 (9 - 5 - 11) 9. Argentina 8.889 (9 - 3 - 14) 10. Samoa 10.875 (8 - 7 - 15) 11. Fiji 11.250 (8 - 7 - 15) 12. Italy 12.111 (9 - 9 - 20) 13. Canada 13.111 (9 - 8 - 18) 14. Tonga 13.375 (8 - 10 - 17) 15. Japan 13.556 (9 - 5 - 18) 16. Georgia 14.600 (5 - 12 - 19) 17. Romania 14.625 (8 - 12 - 19) 18. Ivory Coast 15.000 (1 - 15) 19. USA 15.875 (8 - 11 - 19) 20. Zimbabwe 16.000 (2 - 16 - 16) 21. Uruguay 16.250 (4 - 13 - 20) 22. Spain 18.000 (1 - 18) 23. Namibia 19.000 (6 - 17 - 20) 23. Portugal 19.000 (1 - 19) 23. Russia 19.000 (2 - 18 - 20)
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Post by Panda on Sept 8, 2023 21:18:39 GMT 1
Teams scoring 50+ points in a Rugby World Cup match:
At the first two tournaments, a try was worth 4 points.
All matches are pool stage unless stated.
1987: England 60-7 Japan 1987: New Zealand 70-6 Italy 1987: New Zealand 74-13 Fiji 1987: France 55-12 Romania 1987: Scotland 60-21 Zimbabwe 1987: Scotland 55-28 Romania 1987: France 70-12 Zimbabwe 1991: Ireland 55-11 Zimbabwe 1991: Scotland 51-12 Zimbabwe 1991: Japan 52-8 Zimbabwe 1995: Wales 57-10 Japan 1995: Ireland 50-28 Japan 1995: New Zealand 145-17 Japan 1995: Scotland 89-0 Ivory Coast 1995: France 54-18 Ivory Coast 1999: England 67-7 Italy 1999: New Zealand 101-3 Italy 1999: England 101-10 Tonga 1999: Fiji 67-18 Namibia 1999: Canada 72-11 Namibia 1999: Wales 64-15 Japan 1999: Ireland 53-8 USA 1999: Australia 57-9 Romania 1999: Australia 55-19 USA 2003: Argentina 67-14 Namibia 2003: Australia 90-8 Romania 2003: Ireland 64-7 Namibia 2003: Argentina 50-3 Romania 2003: Australia 142-0 Namibia 2003: France 61-18 Fiji 2003: France 51-29 Japan 2003: France 51-9 Scotland 2003: South Africa 72-6 Uruguay 2003: England 84-6 Georgia 2003: Samoa 60-13 Uruguay 2003: South Africa 60-10 Samoa 2003: England 111-13 Uruguay 2003: New Zealand 70-7 Italy 2003: New Zealand 68-6 Canada 2003: New Zealand 91-7 Tonga 2003: New Zealand 53-37 Wales 2007: South Africa 59-7 Samoa 2007: South Africa 64-15 USA 2007: Australia 91-3 Japan 2007: Wales 72-18 Japan 2007: Australia 55-12 Fiji 2007: New Zealand 76-14 Italy 2007: Scotland 56-10 Portugal 2007: New Zealand 108-13 Portugal 2007: New Zealand 85-8 Romania 2007: France 87-10 Namibia 2007: Argentina 63-3 Namibia 2007: France 64-7 Georgia 2011: New Zealand 83-7 Japan 2011: New Zealand 79-15 Canada 2011: England 67-3 Romania 2011: Italy 53-17 Russia 2011: Australia 67-5 USA 2011: Ireland 62-12 Russia 2011: Australia 68-22 Russia 2011: South Africa 87-0 Namibia 2011: Wales 81-7 Namibia 2011: Wales 66-0 Fiji 2015: Wales 54-9 Uruguay 2015: Australia 65-3 Uruguay 2015: England 60-3 Uruguay 2015: South Africa 64-0 USA 2015: New Zealand 58-14 Namibia 2015: Argentina 54-9 Georgia 2015: Argentina 64-19 Namibia 2015: Ireland 50-7 Canada 2015: New Zealand 62-13 France (Quarter-finals) 2019: Scotland 61-0 Russia 2019: South Africa 57-3 Namibia 2019: New Zealand 63-0 Canada 2019: New Zealand 71-9 Namibia 2019: South Africa 66-7 Canada
New Zealand's 145 points against Japan in 1995 is the highest score at a World Cup. Australia's 142-0 win over Namibia in 2003 is the largest margin of victory.
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Post by Panda on Sept 8, 2023 22:21:16 GMT 1
Pool A: FRANCE 27-13 NEW ZEALAND A real statement of intent for France as they produce a superb performance to beat New Zealand. The All Blacks scored an early try in each half but were outplayed for the rest of the game, particularly in the second half. It's New Zealand's first ever pool stage defeat at the World Cup and their heaviest ever World Cup defeat. France are the first team to beat New Zealand at the World Cup three times.
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Post by Panda on Sept 8, 2023 22:25:40 GMT 1
New Zealand World Cup defeats:
1991: 6-16 v Australia (Semi-final) 1995: 12-15 v South Africa (Final) 1999: 31-43 v France (Semi-final) 1999: 18-22 v South Africa (3rd Place match) 2003: 10-22 v Australia (Semi-final) 2007: 18-20 v France (Quarter-final) 2019: 7-19 v England (Semi-final) 2023: 13-27 v France (Pool stage)
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Post by Panda on Sept 8, 2023 22:35:01 GMT 1
Saturday's games: A: Italy v Namibia (12:00) B: Ireland v Romania (14:30) C: Australia v Georgia (17:00) D: England v Argentina (20:00) Hard to see anything but an England defeat against Argentina tomorrow but they do have a habit of raising their game at the World Cup.
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Post by paulgilb on Sept 8, 2023 23:41:17 GMT 1
France are the first team to beat New Zealand at the World Cup three times. And they came from behind on all 3 occasions.
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Post by Good Old Days on Sept 9, 2023 14:19:13 GMT 1
My favourite team is Ireland. Even after French win I prefer to have them over New Zealand against Ireland in quaterfinal.
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Post by frag on Sept 9, 2023 20:37:10 GMT 1
I don't watch a lot of rugby, but I don't understand how Curry can get a red card for effectively being landed on in a crowd, while the Argie can take out the England player and only get a yellow? What's the mitigation?
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Post by raliverpool on Sept 9, 2023 20:52:48 GMT 1
I don't watch a lot of rugby, but I don't understand how Curry can get a red card for effectively being landed on in a crowd, while the Argie can take out the England player and only get a yellow? What's the mitigation? If use the same logic that the officials used when sending off David Beckham after being stamped on by Diego Simeone during the 1998 Football World Cup, then Curry's was a stonewall red.
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Post by raliverpool on Sept 9, 2023 20:59:14 GMT 1
Half Time: Three drop-goals and a penalty by Ford (who needs Farrell) have put them in control (12-3). Argentina are shell shocked & rattled, but will they get their act together in the second half with the man advantage?
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Post by raliverpool on Sept 9, 2023 22:02:43 GMT 1
It ain't over till the fallen Madonna with the big ..... hits sings....
George Ford 27-10 Argentina
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Post by Panda on Sept 9, 2023 22:21:51 GMT 1
I don't watch a lot of rugby, but I don't understand how Curry can get a red card for effectively being landed on in a crowd, while the Argie can take out the England player and only get a yellow? What's the mitigation? They're trying to eliminate head-to-head contact from the game which unfortunately means it was always going to be a red card, however unintentional. Not much Curry could do other than set himself in a lower position to make the tackle.
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Post by Panda on Sept 9, 2023 22:30:16 GMT 1
I should add I was listening to the game on the radio as I was driving home and haven't managed to see the Argentina card yet to compare to Curry's.
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