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Post by Matt Aloud on Aug 19, 2007 17:53:09 GMT 1
and actually how did Liverpool gain 2 points. It was a soft penalty given to Villa before that was evened out in the same match by the Gerrard free kick.
And today Chelsea gain 2 pts as Malouda throws himself at Agger nowhere near the ball and wins a ludicrous penalty, as Liverpool lose 2pts -_-
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Post by Panda on Aug 19, 2007 17:56:42 GMT 1
and actually how did Liverpool gain 2 points. It was a soft penalty given to Villa before that was evened out in the same match by the Gerrard free kick. And today Chelsea gain 2 pts as Malouda throws himself at Agger nowhere near the ball and wins a ludicrous penalty, as Liverpool lose 2pts -_- Chelsea only gain 1...
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Post by Matt Aloud on Aug 19, 2007 17:57:42 GMT 1
and actually how did Liverpool gain 2 points. It was a soft penalty given to Villa before that was evened out in the same match by the Gerrard free kick. And today Chelsea gain 2 pts as Malouda throws himself at Agger nowhere near the ball and wins a ludicrous penalty, as Liverpool lose 2pts -_- Chelsea only gain 1... oopsie, my frustration effects my Maths
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Post by Panda on Aug 19, 2007 18:01:22 GMT 1
Assuming we keep the Liverpool points from last week, we now have:
Gained:
Chelsea - 1 point Middlesbrough - 2 points Sunderland - 1 point
Lost:
Aston Villa - 1 point Birmingham - 2 points Fulham - 1 point
Liverpool are back where they should be.
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Post by Matt Aloud on Aug 19, 2007 18:02:03 GMT 1
Boro top of that league
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Post by Tom on Aug 19, 2007 18:42:34 GMT 1
Why was our goal against Chelsea debatable? I've heard no-one say there was anything wrong with it Admittedly from behind the goal at the match it looked too easy for it to count, but from the replays afterwards it showed, as i suspected, that Cech simply clattered into his own players. There was no certainly complaint from any of the Chelsea players, which says a lot. That said, this is a good debate, personally i've always thought that decisions even themselves out during a season, or sometimes during a game. Also as Si says, it creates debate on phone-ins and forums etc. The penalty given to Chelsea today though is the most ludricous penalty of the season
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Post by greendemon on Aug 19, 2007 19:16:12 GMT 1
yes, but why should p!ss-poor refereeing be tolerated solely in the interests of making for interesting debate? perhaps some of these decisions do cancel each other out, but aside from the fact that you can't bank on that happening in a sort of good-karma-bad-karma way, using that argument to dismiss the problems inherent in the game seems to me to be missing the point. and anyway, people will argue with the referee and debate his decisions even when hawkeye or video replays or whatever quite clearly justifies his actions.
it may be a good debate. but frankly i'd rather the referees just did their job properly.
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Post by Tom on Aug 19, 2007 19:26:07 GMT 1
yes, but why should p!ss-poor refereeing be tolerated solely in the interests of making for interesting debate? perhaps some of these decisions do cancel each other out, but aside from the fact that you can't bank on that happening in a sort of good-karma-bad-karma way, using that argument to dismiss the problems inherent in the game seems to me to be missing the point. and anyway, people will argue with the referee and debate his decisions even when hawkeye or video replays or whatever quite clearly justifies his actions. it may be a good debate. but frankly i'd rather the referees just did their job properly. Oh I'm not saying we should accept poor refereeing, they should use technology to solve the debate about whether a ball has crossed the line for a start. But at the end of the day refs are human, they will make mistakes, especially with the pace of the game nowadays. Poor refs have been around for years in this country, its doubtful whether that will change. It could also be to do with how fans view the game at times too, sometimes taking a detached view of games actually helps to understand why a ref has made a decision while everyone around me is howling in protest.
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Post by Maximo Mark on Aug 19, 2007 20:47:03 GMT 1
Why was our goal against Chelsea debatable? I've heard no-one say there was anything wrong with it Admittedly from behind the goal at the match it looked too easy for it to count, but from the replays afterwards it showed, as i suspected, that Cech simply clattered into his own players. There was no certainly complaint from any of the Chelsea players, which says a lot. That said, this is a good debate, personally i've always thought that decisions even themselves out during a season, or sometimes during a game. Also as Si says, it creates debate on phone-ins and forums etc. The penalty given to Chelsea today though is the most ludricous penalty of the season Doyle was offside and Cech fell into him trying to push the ball. It could hardly be helped and he wasn't really interfereing but...
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Post by Earl Purple on Aug 20, 2007 9:31:12 GMT 1
and actually how did Liverpool gain 2 points. It was a soft penalty given to Villa before that was evened out in the same match by the Gerrard free kick. Soft penalty? Blatant handball! So yes it evens out for Liverpool now but still a big-4 team (Chelsea) has gained whilst a lesser team (Aston Villa) has lost out. Is it not bad enough the big 4 are already better equipped to finish well placed without extra assistance from the officials?
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Post by o on Aug 20, 2007 10:27:01 GMT 1
Referees are only human, they will make mistakes, same for offsides, we watch the game with 37 cameras and video technology, the refs do not.
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Post by Matt Aloud on Aug 20, 2007 11:40:19 GMT 1
Soft penalty? Blatant handball! ball to hand, not deliberate, and no Villa player in a mile
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Post by Panda on Aug 20, 2007 11:41:39 GMT 1
no Villa player in a mile That's completey irrelevant when it comes to handball decisions.
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Post by Panda on Aug 20, 2007 12:37:54 GMT 1
After yesterday's penalty incident, Rob Styles has been dropped from next week's Premier League games, as has the linesman from the Fulham-Boro game.
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Post by Tom on Aug 20, 2007 13:54:54 GMT 1
Why was our goal against Chelsea debatable? I've heard no-one say there was anything wrong with it Admittedly from behind the goal at the match it looked too easy for it to count, but from the replays afterwards it showed, as i suspected, that Cech simply clattered into his own players. There was no certainly complaint from any of the Chelsea players, which says a lot. That said, this is a good debate, personally i've always thought that decisions even themselves out during a season, or sometimes during a game. Also as Si says, it creates debate on phone-ins and forums etc. The penalty given to Chelsea today though is the most ludricous penalty of the season Doyle was offside and Cech fell into him trying to push the ball. It could hardly be helped and he wasn't really interfereing but... Ah point taken, did notice that at the time but because Doyle didnt even look to get involved (Bikey was the target) and Cech made the error, it wasnt really a issue as you hinted. The fact that we're even discussing this though suggests that this thread may not be that clear cut!
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Post by Maximo Mark on Aug 20, 2007 19:54:46 GMT 1
I have changed the title of the thread to avoid compalints about more petty things...
It's only the key, important things that anyone moans about and they are what refs HAVE to get right if they want to keep their jobs.
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Post by Maximo Mark on Aug 20, 2007 19:55:24 GMT 1
[quote author=mconnor board=Sport thread=1187441982 post=1187606419] Soft penalty? Blatant handball! ball to hand, not deliberate, and no Villa player in a mile[/quote] Outstretched arm, the ball hit it. If that's not handball I don't know what is!
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Post by o on Aug 20, 2007 20:41:11 GMT 1
There has to be intent to block the ball.
Ref got it wrong in the exeter v york game tonight, guy slid in and played the ball then the player, ref gave a penalty. 1-0 to exeter.
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Post by suedehead on Aug 20, 2007 20:43:39 GMT 1
There has to be intent to block the ball. Ref got it wrong in the exeter v york game tonight, guy slid in and played the ball then the player, ref gave a penalty. 1-0 to exeter. The referee clearly got it wrong. However, it's easy to see how he made a mistake. The defender didn't change the direction of the ball so the ref can be excused for concluding that he didn't touch the ball.
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Post by o on Aug 21, 2007 10:20:08 GMT 1
I've just seen the pen in the liverpool v chelsea game, I know the ref was close, but carragher shifted his body as if to block malouda, who did an acrobatic dive, it wasn't a pen, but I can see why he gave it, what I cant see if why all this fuss about it all, seems very extreme and now they have a made a rod for their own back by demoting him for a week or whatever. Tell me what happens when 3 or 4 refs make "blunders"? Do they all get demoted the following week, who refs the games then? And it is adding to the club/player power over officials. Next time that ref sees a pen in the box, he wont give it, there will be doubt in his mind now. I do think this all highlights the need for video technology, it's used in rugby well, and is needed in football, maybe for goalline stuff and penalties, but not offsides yet.
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