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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2012 18:00:08 GMT 1
Should have been Ennis or Murray for delivering under enormous pressure in individual sports and after years of disappointment or set-backs.
I'm not as convinced by Wiggins - a little too cool for school for my liking. He was the unimaginative choice for people who only read (and believe) the headlines and want to be seen as right on.
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Post by paulgilb on Dec 17, 2012 18:42:10 GMT 1
Cycling has become the first sport to win back-to-back SPOTY awards since Athletics in 1982 (Daley Thompson) and 1983 (Steve Cram) - curiously both athletes finished 3rd in the other year!
And I do believe whoever was responsible for the scheduling of the programme should be fired, given that the programme managed to overrun for about half an hour for no obvious reason.
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Post by Panda on Dec 17, 2012 18:46:09 GMT 1
First Englishman to win the award since Andrew Flintoff in 2005 (although I believe Joe Calzaghe was born in England). Indeed. Incidentally, Calzaghe remains the last English-born winner as Wiggins was born in Belgium.
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Post by rubcale on Dec 17, 2012 19:15:40 GMT 1
I'm not as convinced by Wiggins - a little too cool for school for my liking. He was the unimaginative choice for people who only read (and believe) the headlines and want to be seen as right on. Are you referring to Haveners? After all he won our poll!!!!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2012 19:40:50 GMT 1
The idea of giving all the olympians the main award just because of how they've "changed the face of British sport", is devaluing it and making it a pat-on-the-back just for showing up. Giving them the team award was the right thing to do, and the most deserving winners since it's been introduced. Bradley Wiggins is a bit of a tw@t with some of the rubbish he comes out with in speeches, such as the raffle comment in Paris and bar paid for by the BBC last night, but he's much more entertaining to watch and to listen to than that Mo Farrah. Middleton getting publicity again , she didn't even have a word to say, was just acting like a motorized wind-up toy.
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Post by Razzle Dazzle on Dec 17, 2012 19:43:00 GMT 1
did you see murray, the mardy scottish pr**k, he didn't even dress up for the awards, nevermind deserve to win it, wiggins was the only worthy winner for the tour de france win alone, then he won a gold medal at the olympics, if wiggins is to cool for school what the hell is murray, a tramp?
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Post by Maximo Mark on Dec 17, 2012 19:56:23 GMT 1
Should have been Ennis or Murray for delivering under enormous pressure in individual sports and after years of disappointment or set-backs. I'm not as convinced by Wiggins - a little too cool for school for my liking. He was the unimaginative choice for people who only read (and believe) the headlines and want to be seen as right on. Absolute tosh. In a list of 12 people who'd each achieved incredible things I think Bradley Wiggins was comfortably ahead of the rest. A track cyclist winning the TDF, first British winner, yes his TDF win was part of a "team" which he lead, but as they kept saying last night, every sportsperson is, they're all far from being individual, Andy Murray is the product of the efforts of multiple others, how much of his "individual" achievements is down to his coaching team, physios, dieticians etc? Wiggins' gold was what properly kicked off the feel-good Olympic feel in this country, and that was pretty individual. He smashed it, and became the country's most decorated Olympian in the process. As for the personality part, whilst Ennis is a fantastic role model and a really clever and lovely girl, and Murray has proved this year that he's not the dull, dour Scot so many believe, neither have anything at all on Wiggins.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2012 20:56:50 GMT 1
I think we'lll have to agree to disagree. Certainly no debate that they all have strong support teams behind them. My point is that, psychologically, both Jess and Andy have shown tremendous tenacity and strength to come back and triumph (Jess over injury and defeat, and Andy over defeat and rather public dislike [driven by certain media outlets]). What Bradley did was impressive, but only equally so in my view, and so I'm swayed to the others by their "never give up" attitude they have displayed.
How many of us really "know" the personalities of these lot. We just see what we are fed by the media and PR agencies. Bradley is clearly marked in the media as a bloke's bloke while Andy will never convince certain English journos for obvious reasons - he's an easy target for negativity which he doesn't really seem to try to dispell. I would argue, however, that he couldn't fake his emotion in the Wimbledon final, nor his strength of mind in coming back to win the Olympics and US Open. Hence my vote for Andy over Bradley.
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Post by raliverpool on Dec 17, 2012 23:46:27 GMT 1
Irrespective of the fact Bradley Wiggins is the first ever British winner of the Tour De France.
Irrespective of the fact Bradley Wiggins is the first ever cyclist to win the TDF & Individual Olympic Gold in Road Cycling in the same calender year.
It was worth him winning for his hilarious winners speech which simultaneously showed his appreciation of the award whilst taking the P*** out of all the cliched platitude guff spouted by vacuous Reality TV contestants begging for votes from the public.
Wiggins said: "I'm not going to swear tonight so I am just going to say 'thank you' to everyone that picked the phone up and voted.
"We have had all that jungle stuff (I'm A Celebrity... Get Me Out Of Here!) and X Factor the last couple of weeks, so for people in half an hour to pick up and pay £1.50 to vote, thank you very much.
And my nan: the cheque is in the post because you pressed redial God-knows how many times."
I do feel sorry for Andy Murray to a degree. But as all XIX management clientele must realize (David Beckham, Lewis Hamilton, Paula Radcliffe & Kevin Pietersen, etc) if you sign to Simon Fulller's stable, then you have to expect disproportionate negative press from the British tabloids and media due to Simon Fuller being the nemesis of MCA (Max Clifford Associates Limited).
Overall I thought the order of the Top 12 was correct.
PS. Seeing as the BBC have stripped Lance Armstrong's 2003 Overseas SPOTY awards away, what about stripping "CTB" of his award as the 2009 winner of BBC Sports Personality of the Year in the light of the 2011 libel case and gagging order regarding his 2009 extra-marital affair with model and former Miss Wales & Big Brother contestant Imogen Thomas?
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