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Post by o on Mar 13, 2017 14:11:49 GMT 1
I thought that must be coming around again after their recent form saw them fall down the table...
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Post by Earl Purple on Mar 13, 2017 15:57:26 GMT 1
Derby always seem to think they are one of the best teams in the division and should be promoted. They were close in 2014 but after losing the play-off final to QPR they have never really looked like a promotion team since.
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Post by Razzle Dazzle on Mar 13, 2017 16:40:06 GMT 1
He is an awful manager, incompetent is the only word to describe him, how he got another job in management is beyond me, living on his reputation as ex England manager that fluked a title in Holland
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Post by Razzle Dazzle on Mar 13, 2017 17:50:30 GMT 1
Gary Rowett: Derby County set to appoint former Birmingham City boss as manager, think they made the right choice too
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Post by o on Mar 13, 2017 18:14:03 GMT 1
Because Gary rowett has achieved so much more than Steve mclaren?
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Post by Razzle Dazzle on Mar 13, 2017 19:26:36 GMT 1
Sunderland employed Howard Wilkinson because he won the top flight league title over a decade before with Leeds then got relegated with the lowest points total in the history of the Premiership with Sunderland. You have to look at how they are doing now and not what someone achieved as a one off over a decade ago
Rowett has only been a manager for 4 seasons so hard to judge but he finished 4th and 6th with Burton and 10th (21st when he took over) and 7th (when sacked) for Birmingham so I think he deserves a chance
In the same timeframe Mcclaren
Spent the most money in the league building Derby, eventually getting thmto the top of the league before 2 wins in their remaining 13 fixtures meant they missed out on the play-offs altogether and he was sacked
Sacked for relegating Newcastle
Sacked from Derby for failing again
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Post by o on Mar 13, 2017 20:16:15 GMT 1
Dont get me wrong, I think Rowett was unfairly sacked at Birmingham, who have gone into freefall since. But I'm not sure you can mention his three seasons at Burton in a lower league as comparison. McLaren had a win rate of 53% the 1st time at derby and 44% when he was sacked. Not dreadful, but as has been said, they seem to think they should be in the playoffs, along with about 15 other teams in that league, so someone's going to be disappointed
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Post by Razzle Dazzle on Mar 13, 2017 21:22:13 GMT 1
I just think he is a good young manager that deserves a chance a lot like Monk at Leeds. For me Mcclaren is a spent force, his cv reads sacked, relegated, sacked. He spent a small fortune the first time at Derby, more than half the Premiership teams at the time
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Post by Tom on Mar 14, 2017 9:08:35 GMT 1
Derby always seem to think they are one of the best teams in the division and should be promoted. They were close in 2014 but after losing the play-off final to QPR they have never really looked like a promotion team since. They should have made the playoffs in 2015. IIRC they were chasing automatic promotion at one point but completely fell away and ended up missing the top 6 on the final day when they lost at home to Reading. As for Rowett, I know someone on here who's probably disappointed he's gone to Derby...
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Post by Earl Purple on Mar 14, 2017 11:38:41 GMT 1
McClaren did ok at Middlesbrough when they finished I think 7th in the league in 2005 then got to the Europa League final.
As a result of that he was appointed manager of England who were desperate to hire someone English and so he was hired for his nationality and in a group with Russia, Croatia and Israel came 3rd in the qualifiers, behind Croatia and Russia and level on points with Israel. That by the way is a Croatia team that we then beat something like 9-1 on aggregate in the world cup qualifier that followed.
So yes, really a poor manager.
They should have simply let Chris Powell be first team manager. He did well at Charlton, ok at Huddersfield and was doing ok as caretaker manager.
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Post by Razzle Dazzle on Mar 14, 2017 12:58:09 GMT 1
My mate is a huge Middlesbrough fan and we often talk about the "spine" of the Boro team back then, most of which Mcclaren was lucky to inherit Schwarzer, Ehiogu, Southgate, Mendieta, Boksic, Viduka, Hasselbaink
That's your goalkeeper, centre back partnership who spent 7 or 8 year at villa together too, central midfield player once worth 30m on a free and 3 top top intelligent if not slightly over the hill strikers, what do you need to tell them players apart from do your thing?
The problem came when they left or got too old and replaced by Michael Reiziger, Alan Wright, Doriva, Maccarone, Michael Ricketts, Riggott, Christie etc, Southgate who retired and took over from Mcclaren was left with a significantly worse squad than Mcclaren inherited or overspent building, the European cup run was littered with going 3-0 down before throwing 5 strikers on to comeback, even his career highlight of losing a final was pure fluke
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Post by Earl Purple on Mar 14, 2017 16:26:15 GMT 1
Was McClaren in charge in 2004 when Middlesbrough won the league cup though? That was their one trophy.
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Post by Razzle Dazzle on Mar 14, 2017 17:02:27 GMT 1
yeah he was, no doubt there was a time between 2003 and 2006 he was rated very highly and deservedly so at the time, that's why he got the England job but the game has moved on in the last decade and he has been left well behind
Interestingly Boro are going down with 4 wins and I asked my Boro mate would you have Macclaren back and his response was "f*** no"
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Post by Robbie on Mar 14, 2017 20:49:52 GMT 1
Well I just placed a daft bet on Leicester winning 3-0 tonight. £5 at 33-1 seemed too good to overlook...
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Post by Robbie on Mar 14, 2017 22:43:36 GMT 1
Leicester 2 Sevilla 0
An excellent result, but when Jamie Vardy had the ball in the box with two minutes to go I thought he was going to score... which would have made my bet happen! Instead he aimed for the stands. I let out a few words which I can't even repeat in French on Haven and I'm sure the neighbours must think they are living next door to an idiot!
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Post by Razzle Dazzle on Mar 14, 2017 23:01:50 GMT 1
think he went for time wasting instead
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Post by Panda on Mar 16, 2017 12:11:23 GMT 1
Middlesbrough sack Aitor Karanka. Not a massive surprise - he lost a lot of support after his walk-out last season and that's only diminished further with his negative tactics and stubbornness to change, despite the poor recent form.
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Post by Razzle Dazzle on Mar 16, 2017 12:43:13 GMT 1
Yeah, if anything its a bit too late, he has fallen out with more players than he has won league games
I don't get why he bought Rhodes, Downing, Negredo, Bamford, Gestede then drop them all, 30m worth of forward players frozen out when they cant score goals!
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Post by Robbie on Mar 16, 2017 13:05:38 GMT 1
I'm a bit shocked to see he's been sacked. I thought Boro would have kept him as manager till the end of the season. I do hope Boro (and Sunderland) stay up, plus we get promoted, but at least two out of the three is unlikely to happen...
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Post by wonderwall on Mar 16, 2017 13:10:58 GMT 1
Sunderland are gone for sure id say.I cant see them getting out of it this time.I think the bottom 3 now is the 3 that will be relegated.
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