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Post by o on Aug 22, 2017 13:14:17 GMT 1
Ygritte was good for a couple of episodes, then she got a bit monotonous. So can anyone explain why Benjen was one of the dead, but able to not be bad and kill everything in his path? They do seem to just be throwing characters out there to kill them off, Benjen being a prime example, "hi uncle benjen, bye uncle benjen" And do the dead only rise up again if they have been killed by the whitewalkers? And yes, good point, dragon over the wall, melting it on the way to let the rest of the dead through...
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Post by greendemon on Aug 22, 2017 14:03:13 GMT 1
Ygritte was good for a couple of episodes, then she got a bit monotonous. So can anyone explain why Benjen was one of the dead, but able to not be bad and kill everything in his path? They do seem to just be throwing characters out there to kill them off, Benjen being a prime example, "hi uncle benjen, bye uncle benjen" And do the dead only rise up again if they have been killed by the whitewalkers? And yes, good point, dragon over the wall, melting it on the way to let the rest of the dead through... Benjen is kind of a half-wight: he explains to Bran when he reappears in Season 6 that the children of the forest used some (vague, non-specific; there's been rather a lot of that recently) kind of magic to stop him fully becoming a wight. So he retains his personality (to some extent) and sense of self. It was obvious when he showed up last season that he would have some part to play in the big fight against the Night’s King. Having him turn up in the nick of time to rescue his nephew was one of the more ridiculous and contrived moments in an episode which was stuffed with them. I don’t think the dead necessarily rise up even if they have been killed by a White Walker. It’s not like the traditional zombie thing where if you get ‘infected’ you come back as a wight: the Night’s King, or one of the other White Walkers, has to resurrect you. But the thing is they appear to be able to resurrect anyone, even people who they didn’t kill. I did like Ygritte, actually; more than I did in the books! As Shireblogger says it’s a shame they were destined to be a tragic couple but if it makes you feel any better the actors (Kit Harington and Rose Leslie) are actually together in the real world, having met on the show
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Post by borneoman on Aug 22, 2017 14:15:22 GMT 1
Loved ygritte, one of the best characters in the show, hated martin for killing her off
Loved epi 6, would have actually been a great season finale with the zombie dragon cliffhanger Was a very sad moment when the dragon died, and did not occur to me that they could zombify it, the night king is much more smarter than cersei and danny together
What makesn no sense the me is the whole trip of the 7 beyond the wall, was it that important? Sure it does not justify a dragon being killed and jon almost too
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Post by Jordan on Aug 22, 2017 14:53:54 GMT 1
I concur, Ygritte was a fab character!
I find it all a bit confusing about the dead coming back. Some seem to have turned into Whites without being touched by WW's or them even being around to be magically lifted like they did at the end of Hardhome.
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Post by TheThorne on Aug 22, 2017 15:07:37 GMT 1
I concur, Ygritte was a fab character! I find it all a bit confusing about the dead coming back. Some seem to have turned into Whites without being touched by WW's or them even being around to be magically lifted like they did at the end of Hardhome. I kinda of liked her but she also reminds me of Philomena Cunk although she knew stuff and Philomena doesn't
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Post by o on Aug 22, 2017 20:28:59 GMT 1
Loved ygritte, one of the best characters in the show, hated martin for killing her off Loved epi 6, would have actually been a great season finale with the zombie dragon cliffhanger Was a very sad moment when the dragon died, and did not occur to me that they could zombify it, the night king is much more smarter than cersei and danny together What makesn no sense the me is the whole trip of the 7 beyond the wall, was it that important? Sure it does not justify a dragon being killed and jon almost too The only reason for the stupid dangerous trip was to give the dead a dragon which they can use to traverse the wall. It won't happen in the books (I hope)
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Post by greendemon on Aug 22, 2017 21:12:59 GMT 1
The trip served many purposes: showing the dragons can be killed (and giving the NK a dead dragon to play with), getting Dany to believe the NK was a real threat & agree to help Jon, allowing the NK and Jon to have another big conflict, tying up Uncle Benjen's role in the story for good, etc.
Though pretty much all of the above could have been achieved through other (less silly) means...
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Post by Jordan on Aug 22, 2017 21:16:46 GMT 1
The whole farce could have been executed in a much better way, but not in the amount of time/episodes they had to play with. This seasons could easily have been 10 episodes long with the material they had to play with. HBO should have just increased the budget even more.
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Post by borneoman on Aug 23, 2017 6:33:17 GMT 1
I don't get why the rush, make more epic or more seasons
the books are always the opposite of rushing... always slow tempo and taking its time to develop things...
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Post by Shireblogger on Aug 23, 2017 7:16:35 GMT 1
I don't get why the rush, make more epic or more seasons the books are always the opposite of rushing... always slow tempo and taking its time to develop things... I agree. They've got themselves into a hysterical cycle of needing a shock and an epic set piece in every episode. Given how GOT's popularity continued to build during some of the less eventful middle seasons, this was totally unnecessary. It's a bit like Brookside. It was a superbly paced drama for many years, and then they succumbed to writing ridiculous stories to pick up tabloid headlines and short-term ratings.
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Post by Jordan on Aug 23, 2017 8:36:11 GMT 1
Comparing Game of Thrones to Brookside... a new one on me! To be honest I just think the writers have long been ready to move onto new projects. This has been sat with them for a decade at least now. It's a shame that the fans are being short changed because of it.
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Post by Shireblogger on Aug 23, 2017 9:30:05 GMT 1
I think the majority of fans are quite happy with the fast moving plots and action sequences. Probably only the minority who really think in detail about what is happening, and get uncomfortable with some of the shortcuts and over-simplistic plot devices. Despite our criticisms, it remains head and shoulders above any other fantasy drama ever made, with the sole exception of the Star Wars films.
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Post by Jordan on Aug 23, 2017 9:40:19 GMT 1
I'd say the majority of fans are not happy with only getting 7 episodes this season rather than the usual 10.
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Post by Jordan on Aug 23, 2017 9:40:46 GMT 1
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Post by greendemon on Aug 23, 2017 10:52:47 GMT 1
I dunno, it could just be the people whose comments I read/hear but it feels like this is going to go down as one of the most poorly-received seasons of the show. The big action sequences are popular but as Jordan says I don't think the majority of fans really like what the truncated season has done to the pacing.
It's still a great show and will remain popular because at this stage everyone wants to know how it ends. But it's definitely getting harder to dismiss criticisms over pacing and the over-reliance of spectacle in place of careful plotting and the intricate character-building the show used to be praised for.
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Post by TheThorne on Aug 23, 2017 13:07:59 GMT 1
I actually prefer it, I am someone who grew up with high fantasy, D&D etc and all the tits,shagging and swearing never interested me that much, I was their for the big stuff dragons, white walkers, armies, rival kings and queens and after 7 seasons we are at that point.
Yes all the conversations and intrigue were great but this is what I have been waiting for so roll on more!!
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Post by Jordan on Aug 23, 2017 13:22:24 GMT 1
As a huge fan from the beginning, this series just doesn't feel like the same show to me anymore. The pace of a show is one of it's most important characteristics, and this speeding up wasn't even gradually done, it's gone straight to super super fast forward.
It's still enjoyable, but I do understand all the criticisms I'm reading.
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Post by greendemon on Aug 23, 2017 13:26:40 GMT 1
Don't get me wrong, spectacle isn't a bad thing. It's a great thing. And Game of Thrones does it better than any TV show I can think of. But I always enjoy the huge set pieces more when there is context that makes the action both logical and meaningful. The dragon and WW bonanza wasn't entirely devoid of that but there was definitely something missing.
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Post by S1m on Aug 23, 2017 16:51:26 GMT 1
I'm just saying please try and hold in the excitement until those of us can watch it legally. I'll hold off commenting until after 9pm, some absolute classic lines from Clegane though! Why hold off commenting until after 9pm? The legal premiere is at 2am on Sky Atlantic, beyond which anything is fair game!
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Post by Jordan on Aug 24, 2017 20:44:33 GMT 1
I am just SO excited for the final episode!
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