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Post by Robin on May 4, 2019 10:52:33 GMT 1
It’s sad that we are going to be relegated from the football league to be replaced by third rate teams like this but in reality we have brought it on ourselves. I can’t imagine anyone would be excited about a match against Solihull, Eastleigh or Fylde.
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Post by o on May 4, 2019 11:13:24 GMT 1
Wait until you have a season of playing those teams, who bring no away support, and at away games throw bricks through the changing room windows, it's absolute hell as Cheaterfield found out, but stay positive, you aren't down yet, plus we already had Crawley, Accrington, Fleetwood and Forest Green come into the FL and do well. Size of club or crowds aren't indicators of success.
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Post by suedehead on May 4, 2019 17:07:26 GMT 1
Sad to see a club with Notts County's history drop out. Another victim of awful owners.
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Post by Robbie on May 4, 2019 20:58:05 GMT 1
Sad to see a club with Notts County's history drop out. Another victim of awful owners. Very sad news indeed. Not only were they one of the 12 founder members of the Football League (in 1888) but according to Wikipedia they are the oldest professional association football club in the world (founded 1862). A couple of years ago the team were doing well under Kevin Nolan but in the past year the team has been in freefall.
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Post by frag on May 4, 2019 21:49:02 GMT 1
Sad to see a club with Notts County's history drop out. Another victim of awful owners. Very sad news indeed. Not only were they one of the 12 founder members of the Football League (in 1888) but according to Wikipedia they are the oldest professional association football club in the world (founded 1862). A couple of years ago the team were doing well under Kevin Nolan but in the past year the team has been in freefall. I wonder if they ever have matches against Sheffield FC, who have claims to be the oldest amateur club. I believe they're the first founder member to exit the league (except to be part of the Premier League) since January 1896.
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Post by frag on May 4, 2019 21:58:52 GMT 1
Right, last weekend of the season for all leagues apart from the PL and SPL... these permutations cover Saturday and Sunday only. ENGLANDLeague One (Saturday, 17:30) Champions: Luton are ahead of Barnsley by 4 goals on goal difference. Play-offs: Doncaster will take the final place with a win; if they don't Peterborough need a win (or a draw if Doncaster lose by 10 goals). Relegation: now then, from the bottom... Plymouth (21st) v Scunthorpe (23rd) - at least one of these two will go down. Scunthorpe must win and hope both Walsall and Southend fail to do so to survive. Plymouth need to avoid defeat, and also two of the following: better Southend's result (or if Southend win, they need an 11-goal swing); win + Wimbledon lose (or win by 4 + Wimbledon draw); win or Walsall fail to win. Walsall (22nd) away to Shrewsbury (17th) - to stay up, Walsall must win and two of: Plymouth fail to win, Southend fail to win, Wimbledon lose. Southend (20th) v Sunderland (4th) - Despite being outside the drop zone, Southend will definitely be down if they lose. If they draw, they'll be down unless Plymouth v Scunthorpe is a draw and Walsall fail to win. A win keeps them safe unless Plymouth win by at least 12 and Wimbledon also win. Wimbledon (19th) away to Bradford (24th) - Wimbledon will be down if they lose and two of: Southend win, Plymouth win, Walsall win, Scunthorpe win with an 8-goal swing. If they draw, Wimbledon will be down if Southend win and Plymouth win by 4. Wycombe (18th) v Fleetwood (11th) - Wycombe will only be down if they lose, Wimbledon and Southend both win, and Plymouth win with a 12-goal swing. League Two (Saturday, 15:00) Promotion: A straight battle: MK Dons (4th) v Mansfield (3rd): Mansfield will go up unless MK Dons win. Play-offs: Newport will take the final place if they win, or if they draw and Exeter fail to win, or if they lose, Exeter lose, and Colchester, Carlisle and Stevenage all fail to win. Exeter will get the play-off place if they win and Newport don't, or if they draw, Newport lose, Colchester don't win by 2, Carlisle don't win by 6, and Stevenage don't win by 9. Colchester (+9 GD), Carlisle (+5) and Stevenage (+2) are all three points behind Newport (+0) and two behind Exeter (+11), so they each must win for a chance of the play-offs. Relegation: Notts County will go down unless they win and Macclesfield lose (or draw with an 8-goal swing). League One
Luton won the title, as they won and Barnsley lost. Doncaster also got the win they needed to reach the play-offs. Plymouth v Scunthorpe ended with both teams relegated, and featured an unsporting Scunny equaliser as Plymouth's keeper attempted to throw the ball out to get treatment for an injury, only for an opponent to keep the ball in and chip him! Walsall were the other team to go down after a 0-0 draw, but other results meant that even a win wouldn't have been enough. League TwoMK Dons won to clinch the final promotion place, and Mansfield will face Newport in the play-offs after a late equaliser for the latter. As mentioned above, Notts County are down after Macclesfield came from behind to win.
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Post by frag on May 4, 2019 22:08:04 GMT 1
SCOTLAND
SPL Celtic will win the league unless they lose and Rangers win. Dundee will be relegated unless they better St Mirren's result. Championship Falkirk will be down unless they win (against promoted Ross) and either Alloa lose, or Queen of the South lose (with a 10-goal swing); if one of those happens, they'll be in the relegation play-off. If both happen, they'll be safe. Alloa will be down if they lose and Falkirk win. They'll be in the relegation play-off unless they win, or draw with QotS losing. The two sides just outside the trap-door play each other: Queen of the South (8th) v Partick (7th). Either side will be safe if they win. QotS can be relegated with that 10-goal swing, or in the play-off if Alloa better their result. Partick will be in that play-off if they lose and Alloa win. League OneBrechin (10th) v Stenhousemuir (9th): Brechin will be relegated unless they win, in which case Stenhousemuir will go down. A relegation play-off awaits the winner (or Stenhousemuir if they draw). League Two Peterhead will be promoted if they win, or if they draw and Clyde don't win by 5+, or if they lose and Clyde don't win. Clyde go up otherwise. Celtic won the league (8 years in a row) with an easy win, so it's Europa League again for Rangers. Dundee lost and are therefore relegated. Falkirk managed to win, but are still relegated after Alloa's draw. Queen of the South must win the play-offs to survive. In League One, Brechin are down (their second relegation in a row) as they could only draw with Stenhousemuir (relegtion play-off). Peterhead are finally promoted from League Two, so Clyde have a play-off.
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Post by frag on May 7, 2019 8:31:57 GMT 1
Right, last weekend of the season for all leagues apart from the PL and SPL... these permutations cover Saturday and Sunday only. ENGLANDPremier LeagueSp*rs will be in the Champions League again if they win, or if both Arsenal and Man Utd fail to win (unless Sp*rs lose and Arsenal draw). Chelsea will be in the CL if they win and both Arsenal and Man Utd fail to do so. Cardiff will be relegated unless they better Brighton's result. Championship (Sunday, 12:30) Champions: Norwich will win the league unless they lose and Sheff Utd win. Play-offs: Derby will take the last play-off place if they win; if they don't, then Middlesbrough will take it with a win (or with a draw if Derby lose by 7 goals). If Derby lose and Boro fail to win, then Bristol City will take the last spot with a win. If Derby draw, then City will need an 8-goal win (or 9-2 if Derby draw 0-0). Chelsea will be in the Champions League next season, while Cardiff will be in the Championship - along with Middlesbrough and Bristol City, because Derby took the final play-off place. Meanwhile, Norwich won the Championship.
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Post by frag on May 7, 2019 9:30:03 GMT 1
Play-off schedule (teams with * are competing to avoid relegation)
Sat 27 Apr: S2/3: East Kilbride 1-2 Cove Wed 1 May: NL: Fylde 3-1 Harrogate Thu 2: NL: Wrexham 0-1 Eastleigh Sat 4: NL: Solihull 0-1 Fylde, S2/3: Cove 3-0 East Kilbride Sun 5: NL: Salford 1-1 Eastleigh (4-3 pens)
Tue 7: SP/C: Ayr v Inverness SC/1: Montrose v Queen of the South*, Raith v Forfar S1/2: Annan v Stenhousemuir*, Edinburgh v Clyde
Thu 9: L2: Newport v Mansfield Fri 10: L2: Tranmere v Forest Green
Sat 11: C: Aston Villa v West Brom, Derby v Leeds L1: Sunderland v Portsmouth NL final: Fylde v Salford SP/C: Inverness v Ayr SC/1: Forfar v Raith, Queen of the South* v Montrose S1/2: Clyde v Edinburgh, Stenhousemuir* v Annan S2/3 final (leg 1): Cove v Berwick*
Sun 12: L1: Doncaster v Charlton L2: Mansfield v Newport NL North final: Chorley v Spenneymoor NL South final: Woking v Welling
Mon 13: L2: Forest Green v Tranmere Tue 14: C: West Brom v Aston Villa, SP/C: Ayr/ICT v Dundee Utd*, S1/2 final (leg 1) Wed 15: C: Leeds v Derby SC/1 final (leg 1) Thu 16: L1: Portsmouth v Sunderland Fri 17: L1: Charlton v Doncaster, SP/C: Dundee Utd* v Ayr/ICT Sat 18: SC/1 final (leg 2), S1/2 final (leg 2), S2/3 final (leg 2): Berwick* v Cove
Thu 23: SP/C final (leg 1) Sat 25: League Two final Sun 26: League One final, SP/C final (leg 2) Mon 27: Championship final
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Post by Earl Purple on May 7, 2019 11:03:46 GMT 1
Manchester United and Wolves will both be playing in the Europa League next season.
Arsenal will probably also be unless they win the Europa League this season or they turn around an 8 goal deficit against Spurs. (Whilst they did just that in 2016, I can't see it happening this season, sorry Frag).
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Post by Earl Purple on May 7, 2019 11:06:02 GMT 1
When your team finished 3 points below automatic promotion (albeit with a far inferior goal difference) you look back at what games you probably should have done better. But then had Barnsley not already been promoted going into the last game they may have made more effort and won.
That they have made our playoff semi-final games Saturday and Friday means I can't watch either of them.
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Post by o on May 7, 2019 12:47:55 GMT 1
We will see just how much Cove Rangers want to come into the Scottish league then, because if they don't absolutely wallop Berwick like everybody else has been doing, then it will be a major surprise! The only way Berwick could win, is if Cove don't score, and then kick their penalties over the bar on the shoot out!
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Post by Robin on May 7, 2019 20:22:39 GMT 1
We will see just how much Cove Rangers want to come into the Scottish league then, because if they don't absolutely wallop Berwick like everybody else has been doing, then it will be a major surprise! The only way Berwick could win, is if Cove don't score, and then kick their penalties over the bar on the shoot out! If Berwick drop out of the Scottish league, they might as well join the English league as I expect the non-league teams in England will have better crowds then whatever Scottish oblivion Berwick will fall into.
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Post by Panda on May 7, 2019 20:27:17 GMT 1
We will see just how much Cove Rangers want to come into the Scottish league then, because if they don't absolutely wallop Berwick like everybody else has been doing, then it will be a major surprise! The only way Berwick could win, is if Cove don't score, and then kick their penalties over the bar on the shoot out! If Berwick drop out of the Scottish league, they might as well join the English league as I expect the non-league teams in England will have better crowds then whatever Scottish oblivion Berwick will fall into. Berwick would get destroyed in anything higher than step 5 of the English non-league pyramid (9th tier overall), plus they'd be totally isolated geographically. They're better off trying to rebuild in the Lowland League.
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Post by o on May 7, 2019 22:17:13 GMT 1
Yeah that is what I was going to say, mainly about geography, rather than getting destroyed
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Post by smokeyb on May 7, 2019 22:34:53 GMT 1
If Berwick drop out of the Scottish league, they might as well join the English league as I expect the non-league teams in England will have better crowds then whatever Scottish oblivion Berwick will fall into. Berwick would get destroyed in anything higher than step 5 of the English non-league pyramid (9th tier overall), plus they'd be totally isolated geographically. They're better off trying to rebuild in the Lowland League. This kind of thing has happened before, highland league teams get better crowds against the local teams with less travel costs, if they make league 2 then they have to travel down to the south of Scotland, with lower crowds, so it makes no financial sense, unless they can get promoted to league 1 quickly.
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Post by o on May 8, 2019 13:02:40 GMT 1
Yeah, which is why Cove have "lost" a couple of times already I think? But Ross County and Inverness both got in the top league and did well for a while.
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Post by Panda on May 8, 2019 16:11:43 GMT 1
Yeah, which is why Cove have "lost" a couple of times already I think? But Ross County and Inverness both got in the top league and did well for a while. The difference is Ross County and Inverness were both actively seeking to be part of the Scottish League, applying for election when the league expanded back in the 90s. It's also been reported that the Scottish Championship could expand to 12 teams in 2020-21 with the adjustment facilitating one of the following: promoting both the Highland and Lowland league champions at the end of next season; merging League One and League Two or including two 'colts' teams (almost certainly Celtic and Rangers) in the league. The expansion could mean no relegation from the Championship next season with the top 2 in League One automatically promoted. In addition, a true Scottish pyramid seems to be taking shape now (at least in the south). The East of Scotland League this season ran with 3 parallel divisions with the winners going into a round-robin playoff series, the winner of which goes into a playoff with the South of Scotland League champions for a place in the Lowland League. Next season, the East of Scotland League will have one division at step 2 and two at step 3. The 3 East of Scotland playoff teams are Peniciuk Athletic, Broxburn Athletic and Bonnyrigg Rose. Stranraer Reserves walked the South of Scotland League, dropping just 2 points and I assume they are eligible for promotion.
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Post by frag on May 8, 2019 21:30:05 GMT 1
Manchester United and Wolves will both be playing in the Europa League next season. Wolves aren't there yet - Watford will take the final Europa League spot if they win the FA Cup final.
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Post by Earl Purple on May 8, 2019 22:27:08 GMT 1
Of course after what happened today, even if Arsenal do turn around that 8 goal deficit, Spurs will still have another way they could qualify for the Champions League.
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