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Post by Jordan on Jan 22, 2021 10:05:36 GMT 1
Flabergasted by comparisons between COVID and Swine Flu 2009. Have people been asleep for the last 12 months?
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Post by Shireblogger on Jan 22, 2021 10:36:15 GMT 1
Let's look at a few facts here: 3. Holding a festival can be seen as an 'up yours' gesture to the virus, in a similar way to how One Love Manchester was to Islamic extremism. 4. Many musicians and fans are known to be openly anti-Government. The cancellation suggests one of two things: 1. They want to go bust. 2. Boris Johnson has threatened them with a fate worse than death. Make of that what you will. PS: you may think that COVID-19 is way worse than swine flu, however this only appears to be the case due to governments and the media counting all deaths from anybody who recently tested positive, regardless of whether or not the death was actually caused by the virus. I can't recall ever reading anything as stupid or ignorant at Haven before. paulgilb obviously doesn't understand that viruses are not conscious creatures who read newspapers and social media, and therefore are biologically different from Islamic fundamentalists. There aren't many musicians and fans who are anarchists (i.e. anti-Government). People of every political persuasion recognise the fact that the virus is spread rapidly amongst large gatherings of people in close proximity. The cancellation suggests that the Eavis family is a couple of orders of magnitude smarter and more responsible than paulgilb. Twitter bans people who peddle dangerous misinformation about COVD-19. Haven should not be a refuge for these people.
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Post by ManicKangaroo on Jan 22, 2021 12:01:49 GMT 1
Music festivals are "still possible" this summer, despite the cancellation of Glastonbury, says the head of the Association of Independent Festivals.
Paul Reed said Glastonbury "is a different beast to most festivals and most likely ran out of time due to the size and complexity of the event".
Smaller events could still happen if the government ensures organisers can access cancellation insurance, he said.
"For most festivals, the cut-off point is more likely the end of March."
Glastonbury's cancellation has raised fears for other music festivals this summer. However, the organisers of Glasgow's TRNSMT said there was "reason to be optimistic" that it could go ahead in July, with headliners Lewis Capaldi, Liam Gallagher and the Courteeners.
"Glastonbury is the biggest festival in the world and it's sad to see that, due to its enormous scale and taking several months to get the city-sized festival site ready, it's unable to go ahead this year," boss Geoff Ellis told Scotland's Daily Record.
"By comparison, TRNSMT is a much smaller city centre event with no camping. As such it takes us days rather than months to build TRNSMT. Therefore, we will continue to listen to and follow the advice from the government and remain positive about events later in the summer."
His comments were echoed by Bestival co-founder Rob Da Bank, who tweeted that "festival season will happen in the UK this summer", adding: "Sadly Glasto is such a mammoth beast to plan it ran outta time."
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Post by Razzle Dazzle on Jan 22, 2021 12:12:09 GMT 1
Playing devils advocate, they have to say that to get the sweet sweet ticket money rolling in, there wont be a festival season if they don't sell enough tickets, once they have your money they can legally keep it and delay the festival indefinitely but at least that secures the future of the industry, there have been a few big starter festivals up north the last few years that had to cancel the entire event because they never made enough money through ticket sales to pay the acts and that was before covid, I imagine a few festivals have to be on this year or go bust so they have no choice but to market them as happening still but then they were last year too, one I was due to go to in May got put back to September then back to May 2021 and will most likely be cancelled a 3rd time now and delayed until September but then they run the risk of having to cancel a 4th time if they do
The uncertainty is the killer, nobody is planning anything more than a week ahead these days
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Post by paulgilb on Jan 23, 2021 1:44:49 GMT 1
Let's look at a few facts here: 3. Holding a festival can be seen as an 'up yours' gesture to the virus, in a similar way to how One Love Manchester was to Islamic extremism. 4. Many musicians and fans are known to be openly anti-Government. The cancellation suggests one of two things: 1. They want to go bust. 2. Boris Johnson has threatened them with a fate worse than death. Make of that what you will. PS: you may think that COVID-19 is way worse than swine flu, however this only appears to be the case due to governments and the media counting all deaths from anybody who recently tested positive, regardless of whether or not the death was actually caused by the virus. I can't recall ever reading anything as stupid or ignorant at Haven before. paulgilb obviously doesn't understand that viruses are not conscious creatures who read newspapers and social media, and therefore are biologically different from Islamic fundamentalists. There aren't many musicians and fans who are anarchists (i.e. anti-Government). People of every political persuasion recognise the fact that the virus is spread rapidly amongst large gatherings of people in close proximity. The cancellation suggests that the Eavis family is a couple of orders of magnitude smarter and more responsible than paulgilb . Twitter bans people who peddle dangerous misinformation about COVD-19. Haven should not be a refuge for these people. Obviously I wasn't comparing viruses to Islamists, I was trying to make the point that One Love Manchester took place despite the very real threat of a further terrorist attack (and such things don't just affect those injured but also their families), yet it was well-attended, and sent a message of solidarity. Clearly, a virus cannot hear such a message, but people's spirits could easily be boosted, which would improve people's general health and wellbeing. As for the claim that hosting a festival would be irresponsible, cast your mind back to April 2010. Back then a volcano in Iceland (Eyjafjallajökull) erupted, creating a cloud of ash that (supposedly) covered most of Europe, resulting in airspace being shut for several days. Throughout this time, NATS (the UK air traffic controller) issued statements such as 'UK airspace will be closed until XX:XX on DD/04/2010'. Predictably they kept putting this deadline back further and further. People were stranded all over the world, and airlines lost a load of money every single day. Eventually, some airlines cried 'Enough!' and decided to let flights travel to the UK anyway. Imagine if one of these planes had crashed. The consequences would have been absolutely horrendous (payouts to the victims' families, numerous lawsuits, loss of trust in the airline industry). However, the airlines still felt this was a risk worth taking. As a result of this, UK airspace was quickly re-opened (ostensibly 'after a reassessment of the risk to aircraft' but clearly under pressure from the airlines as the re-opening time was earlier than the time that they had stated airspace would be closed until at least). As for 'dangerous misinformation', I certainly agree that it can have serious consequences. This is why I have kept an open mind about this situation rather than blindly believing what the media tells me. I seriously recommend reading www.amazon.co.uk/Corona-False-Alarm-Facts-Figures/dp/1645020576 ( note: I have no connection with the authors whatsoever - this is a purely personal recommendation). This is the sort of stuff that is easily dismissed as pseudo-scientific b******s, however there is a lot of stuff that is very hard to argue against. There are even some claims that would be libellous if they were false. The review from 'Benji' (who I also have no connection with) on www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/55370694-corona-false-alarm summarises it well. Obviously it would be VERY wrong to take everything written in this book as gospel, but it definitely highlights misleading the media can be (not just here but in general). You guys are of course entitled to your own opinions on this, but I leave one question for you to think about: If Governments and the media had kept quiet about this all along, would you have any reason to suspect that there was such a cover-up? You may know somebody who has been ill (or even been ill yourself), but would you have simply passed it off as 'one of those things'?
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Post by Shireblogger on Jan 23, 2021 10:07:36 GMT 1
I leave one question for you to think about: If Governments and the media had kept quiet about this all along, would you have any reason to suspect that there was such a cover-up? You may know somebody who has been ill (or even been ill yourself), but would you have simply passed it off as 'one of those things'? I know dozens of people who have contracted coronavirus. My great aunt died from it on Monday, and there are other people I know who have died with it. If the British Government had tried to cover it up like the Chinese one did initially, it would have taken a matter of days for it to get out. Even at the start it was infecting so many people so quickly, had a different combination of symptoms to anything else we knew, and was killing a massively higher proportion of them than, say, flu, it would have been clear there was a pandemic raging. Lunatic conspiracy theories like your's paulgilb have no place at Haven. This is the sort of stuff that is easily dismissed as pseudo-scientific b******s Not pseudo-scientific b****cks. Just b****cks. Suggesting this sort of book has any connection to science does a tremendous disservice to the brilliant virologists, epidemiologists, doctors and nurses who are working so hard and creatively to rescue us from this catastrophe.
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Post by rubcale on Feb 15, 2021 19:09:30 GMT 1
That's that then.
It's highly unlikely we'll see Diana again in the UK.
She won't do Glastonbury as a one-off and the chances of another major tour are almost nil - if there is the slightest risk she will not take to the stage.
This year's concerts were unofficially cancelled last December but the Promoters have steadfastly refised to make this official to hold on to the ticket money.
We've held on to the tickets in hope but I think it's now time to request a refund.
Bummer - if only she finalised the Glasto contract in 2014 - still it was Dolly Parton's gain.
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Post by raliverpool on Feb 15, 2021 20:14:17 GMT 1
Stepping aside's paulgilb's tinfoil hattery ..... I have to say I fear rubcale's pessimism is correct. She is 76 years old, and does not need the money. She is the last Supreme (of the original trio) standing; and so is in the high risk category. Does she really need to do tours and gigs in the current climate, as even if the most optimistic future projections turn out to be true. Then Covid19 is still going to hang around a while as a cousin of Flu each winter as it "mutates with the times"..
I've heard that Emily Eavis has suggested they are looking into the idea of having two festivals in 2022 (at the beginning & end of summer)
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Post by greendemon on Feb 15, 2021 23:23:24 GMT 1
I suspect Crowded House are going to end up cancelling their tour again and they like Diana aren't spring chickens either so they may very well not end up rescheduling I miss live music so much but when we are still potentially going to be having issues with new variants that may not be susceptible to the vaccines, gigs and festivals shouldn't be going ahead.
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Post by paulgilb on Feb 15, 2021 23:59:51 GMT 1
Looking back at this thread, it seems I was too harsh on the Glastonbury organisers - I definitely had a feeling of 'do people want 2021 to be better than 2020 or not?'. Apologies to them (in the unlikely event that they are reading!) and to anybody else who I may have upset or offended.
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Post by rubcale on Feb 23, 2021 19:32:05 GMT 1
Posted by Diana on Facebook today:
"Life is about change, and this time has, in many ways, been a gift of Reflection and Gratefulness. My Love and Gratitude has never been stronger. It seems it will be another year before I am able to tour again. I will always continue singing. Songs of Love and Appreciation. I just completed singing 14 new songs! “Thank You " for your Love and Friendship. Coming soon "
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Post by rubcale on May 4, 2021 18:28:55 GMT 1
What might have been.
Lionel Richie was scheduled to make a "surprise" appearance and sing 3 numbers with her.
Endless Love, of course and one idea was You Are Everything combined with Lady/ All Night Long.
Barry Gibb was also going to "drop in".
How fantastic would this have been.
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Post by rubcale on May 4, 2021 18:36:13 GMT 1
Diana Ross and The London Symphony Orchestra being released in conjunction with her visit was a possible #1 album.
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Post by rubcale on May 20, 2021 18:04:36 GMT 1
Ticketmaster is at long last admitting the Diana Ross UK concerts are permanently cancelled and refunding the ticket money.
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Post by rubcale on May 20, 2021 18:11:52 GMT 1
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Post by Smurfie on May 20, 2021 18:21:58 GMT 1
I wonder if could wangle a work trip to the UK for next June? I shall start plotting now, as I would be up for O2.
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Post by Shireblogger on May 20, 2021 18:45:40 GMT 1
I've now got a legends long weekend next summer. Diana Ross on the Saturday and then Dionne Warwick the following Tuesday. Plus 10 rearranged shows between now and next June. Haven't made my mind up yet about Y Not this August. The line-up* is brilliant, but will it actually happen ? Think I'll wait another month before buying tickets. * Blossoms, Stereophonics, Manics, James, Kelis, Gabrielle, Levellers, Jake Bugg, Bombay Bicycle Club, Sherlocks, Pale Waves, Sundara Karma...
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Post by rubcale on May 24, 2021 18:15:22 GMT 1
Don't be disappointed if the Diana Ross shows don't go ahead.
Glastonbury is looking unlikely although she has agreed to do the Lytham Festival if they can get a suitable date.
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Post by raliverpool on Jun 14, 2021 22:06:21 GMT 1
I just post this here and await for rubcale to get a little happier:
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Post by Razzle Dazzle on Jun 14, 2021 22:11:27 GMT 1
another month of cancelled music festivals though
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