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Post by raliverpool on Aug 10, 2012 20:54:02 GMT 1
I agree on both counts, but I can't imagine how the World #1, current European Champion & former World Champion feels after the World #59 whom was apparently a better bet for success got comprehensively beaten by a Spaniard whom has lost to Aaron Cook in all 5 of their fights in an Olympic contest where Aaron Cook has a positive win/loss career record against all the competitors entered. I'm not defending the selection of Muhammad over Cook but the world ranking argument in this case is very misleading. Muhammad is ranked so low because he only recently starting competing in that weight category. In his old (higher) weight category, he is European champion, as is Cook at the lower weight. And Cook is a former world junior champion, which is very different to being a former world champion. His old (higher) weight category is at a weight that is competed at the Olympics, therefore as most national associations used the performance at the relevant Olympic weights as a criteria for competing then there is less competition in general and was less competition at that European Championships which he won, as a lot of his competitors moved down or up a weight to try and gain automatic qualification at the 2012 Olympics. A bit like in Athletics being World Best in 1000m, 1600m or 3000m. OK grammatical pedantry aside he is not the World Champion, but he is the reigning World Cup champion Aaron Cook as during the 12 events at 80kg which took place (best 10 results counted) in 2011 he won 7 of these Grand Prix. It's no point going over spilt milk as the selectors followed all the relevant procedures and took into account all the relevant criteria. However one can only assume their selection criteria for selecting athletes was: 1. Be coached by a selector; 2. Not have decided to leave GB Taekwondo's own training programme; 3. Make us (the selectors and GB Taekwondo) look really good if he happens to get a medal; 4. Not make us look really, really bad, stupid and incompetent if they happen to live up to their world number one ranking and win a medal having recently decided to leave our programme; 5. Help us secure our funding by meeting our diversity targets should GB TKD fail to medal. Anyway thanks to TKD's repĂȘchage format Muhammad will now have another fight this evening for a bronze medal.
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Post by Panda on Aug 10, 2012 21:18:35 GMT 1
OK grammatical pedantry aside he is not the World Champion In other words, I was right.
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Post by Panda on Aug 10, 2012 21:20:06 GMT 1
Another disappointingly passive display from Lisa Dobriskey in a major final. Just sat and waited for things to happen until it was too late to do anything about it.
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Post by raliverpool on Aug 10, 2012 21:31:41 GMT 1
OK grammatical pedantry aside he is not the World Champion In other words, I was right. Aaron Cooke is reigning World Cup champion, which is as a result of doing a best over a series of Grand Prix rather than a one off event. Anyway no doubt you are delighted that spiteful jobsworth officialdom rules and is paying dividends as Muhammad is easily heading for bronze as I type against the Armenian.
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Post by o on Aug 10, 2012 21:32:28 GMT 1
That's how I felt about it as well misterh. Shame about Gemili in the 100x4, but he'll get even better with more experience, they were fast. Shame in the 4x400 as well, so close to a bronze!
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Post by Panda on Aug 10, 2012 21:37:51 GMT 1
In other words, I was right. Aaron Cooke is reigning World Cup champion, which is as a result of doing a best over a series of Grand Prix rather than a one off event. Anyway no doubt you are delighted that spiteful jobsworth officialdom rules and is paying dividends as Muhammad is easily heading for bronze as I type against the Armenian. As I said, I wasn't defending Muhammad's selection. I was merely picking the huge holes in your world ranking argument, so I don't need you to tell me what I'm delighted at thanks, Dick.
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Post by Panda on Aug 10, 2012 21:42:24 GMT 1
In other words, I was right. Aaron Cooke is reigning World Cup champion, which is as a result of doing a best over a series of Grand Prix rather than a one off event. Anyway no doubt you are delighted that spiteful jobsworth officialdom rules and is paying dividends as Muhammad is easily heading for bronze as I type against the Armenian. For the record, I think there are huge questions to be answered over Cook's omission and it is very likely Cook's falling out with the British bosses was the key factor. However, that isn't Muhammad's fault, and unlike some petty-minded people, I wasn't going to wish failure on a British athlete competing at an Olympic Games.
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Post by Panda on Aug 10, 2012 21:52:38 GMT 1
Fred Evans becomes the third British boxer to reach a final after beating the Ukrainian top seed. Anthony Joshua could make it four very soon.
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Post by Panda on Aug 10, 2012 22:10:36 GMT 1
Tom Daley scrapes into the platform diving semi-final...
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Post by rubcale on Aug 10, 2012 22:53:41 GMT 1
Another disappointingly passive display from Lisa Dobriskey in a major final. Just sat and waited for things to happen until it was too late to do anything about it. I've been saying this about her for 4 years. After the semi I really thought she had had an epiphany and believed she was in with a shout tonight. For about 2 laps she was the new Lisa and then drifted back to the inside and proceded to watch others dictate the race until as you say it was too late. In all honesty because of the composition of the team I can't say I'm overly disappointed about the failure of the men's 4x100m but their performance has become seriously unfunny. In 5 of the last 6 majors they have failed to qualify. Their interviews after the races are highly embarrassing. "these things happen". Well, yes they do and sometimes they happen to other teams but really 5 times in 6 outings? ? If I've picked this up right the third leg of the 4x400m is the easiest becuase the runner only does 390m? All I can say is: Dai Greene you are THE WEAKEST LINK.
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Post by rubcale on Aug 10, 2012 22:58:28 GMT 1
Is Nicola Sanders injured or what?
Don't really see how the women can medal in the 4x400m. They're a solid team but just not fast enough.
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Post by Panda on Aug 10, 2012 23:20:45 GMT 1
Is Nicola Sanders injured or what? Don't really see how the women can medal in the 4x400m. They're a solid team but just not fast enough. Not as far as I'm aware. She's in the relay squad but on recent form, she's not an improvement on the any of the four that ran tonight. The other options would be Perri Shakes-Drayton and Marilyn Okoro.
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Post by Panda on Aug 10, 2012 23:21:24 GMT 1
Anthony Joshua reaches the super-heavyweight boxing final! One boxing gold in the bag and three more finals to come...
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Post by Jordan on Aug 10, 2012 23:21:42 GMT 1
So when's the diving final?
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Post by Panda on Aug 10, 2012 23:28:53 GMT 1
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Post by Panda on Aug 10, 2012 23:30:18 GMT 1
So when's the diving final? Semi-final tomorrow morning, final tomorrow night.
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Post by Ramz on Aug 10, 2012 23:31:42 GMT 1
So when's the diving final? Tomorrow at 8.30pm. Gonna miss it cause I'm at a party but at least I can watch the semi's tomorrow at 10 am which might be all that's needed if Daley doesn't seriously up his game.
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Post by Panda on Aug 10, 2012 23:44:41 GMT 1
GB 2012 v VIRTUAL MEDAL TABLE: Gold: 25-16 Silver: 15-20 Bronze: 17-16 Total: 57-52
GB 2012 v GB 2008: Gold: 25-18 Silver: 15-13 Bronze: 17-13 Total: 57-44
GB 2012 v GB 2004: Gold: 25-7 Silver: 15-8 Bronze: 17-11 Total: 57-26
GB 2012 v GB 2000: Gold: 25-8 Silver: 15-8 Bronze: 17-5 Total: 57-21
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Post by suedehead on Aug 10, 2012 23:45:24 GMT 1
And some of the American media are presenting the medals table by how many medals in total were won not by the usual method of number of gold medals, so they came out on top when they were behind in gold medals The US has just overtaken China in gold medals - but they have GB behind Russia sports.yahoo.com/olympics/medals.htmlThat's the standard American way. Completely ridiculous of course. After all, it means a country with 20 bronze medals and nothing else is ranked higher than a country with 19 gold and nothing else. But if every other country agrees on a ranking method you can rely on the Americans to do their own thing. Surely the best method would be a points system - 3 for gold, 2 for silver and 1 for bronze. That would mean that Kazakhstan (ten medals, six of them gold) would fall several places.
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Post by Maximo Mark on Aug 10, 2012 23:49:23 GMT 1
But how many silvers is one gold worth? I'd say a ranking of 5-2-1 is closer to being accurate.
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