Good Old Days
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Post by Good Old Days on May 12, 2021 7:55:05 GMT 1
I have a better idea. If you want to do a head to head song contest why don't you take your charts, all your songs that peaked at #1, #2, #3 etc and throw them into a raliverpool style random head to head battle every week or so, that could run alongside any contest comfortably, if that's what you want to do. I wanted to do something like this, but who will have the interest to listen and vote for the mostly low-known songs ?
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Post by Earl Purple on May 12, 2021 8:58:48 GMT 1
I thought about it and its a no from me. I get the feeling a lot of songs will go unlistened to, it asks for quite a bit of patience, time, commitment and long attention spans, I would even go as far as saying Haven Factor has become too obscure for some, lots of negative comments, stopping voting because you hate the acts left, voting before listening to all the songs. I'm not sure starting a longer, much more obscure, less exciting version is needed, the formula is the best part and that's what is going to be taken away I have a better idea. If you want to do a head to head song contest why don't you take your charts, all your songs that peaked at #1, #2, #3 etc and throw them into a raliverpool style random head to head battle every week or so, that could run alongside any contest comfortably, if that's what you want to do. Personally we have pop Idol, rock Idol, dance Idol, pot purè Idol and we struggle to fit them in and that is such a good unique idea thats interesting all the way till the end. They usually have a few unique rounds thrown in that require the use of lesser known songs, theres a bit of something for everyone. Even this contest has a 2 or 3 year waiting list, I wouldn't like to see it pushed out of our schedule
I was thinking about it and it might work as an alternative to what we were going to run, which is a Haven Factor for eliminated acts, so instead of doing that, we have a contest where we pick a failed act from a past series and play the 10 songs or so we want to play, one against each opponent.
There will be many times you already know which one you like better, for the other few you can listen to both songs then decide.
I agree that unless it's Havenvision / Lingovision / Hidden Treasures or whatever, people don't enjoy long contests of listening to lots of unknown songs. Even with those, we find people who give the playlists one listen then vote. Usually I give them at least 3 and it was about the same when I did my weekly charts, I would sometimes rank the new songs for the chart having listened to them in full just 3 times which wasn't really enough.
It often just feels a pity to exit Haven Factor when you haven't played all the songs you wanted to play yet, and also the feeling of your act not having enough good songs, so you either play them all up front and burn out or you have to play a few lesser ones and then don't get to play any of the big ones except in one sing-off, where you are often up against another act doing the same.
I thought Haven Factor was a fun idea at the time but I'm enjoying it a lot less now anyway as it seems more of a matter of whether you have more Arcade Fire fans or more Neil Sedaka fans than saying one is better or worse than the other, when they are from totally different eras of music and make a totally different style, but both are / were major in what they do.
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Post by Razzle Dazzle on May 12, 2021 8:59:11 GMT 1
Depends how unknown people's chart topping hits were I guess, too many unknown songs are going to put people off
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Good Old Days
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Post by Good Old Days on May 12, 2021 9:42:29 GMT 1
After painful results in the previous contests I spent many hours of trying to select the right songs from good and musically different back catalogue of my act, which will help to avoid bottom result for me.
I was almost sure that something more rockish will be a good solution for winning in song-off round, especially when saw the name of opponent act.
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Post by TheThorne on May 12, 2021 9:54:55 GMT 1
I thought about it and its a no from me. I get the feeling a lot of songs will go unlistened to, it asks for quite a bit of patience, time, commitment and long attention spans, I would even go as far as saying Haven Factor has become too obscure for some, lots of negative comments, stopping voting because you hate the acts left, voting before listening to all the songs. I'm not sure starting a longer, much more obscure, less exciting version is needed, the formula is the best part and that's what is going to be taken away I have a better idea. If you want to do a head to head song contest why don't you take your charts, all your songs that peaked at #1, #2, #3 etc and throw them into a raliverpool style random head to head battle every week or so, that could run alongside any contest comfortably, if that's what you want to do. Personally we have pop Idol, rock Idol, dance Idol, pot purè Idol and we struggle to fit them in and that is such a good unique idea thats interesting all the way till the end. They usually have a few unique rounds thrown in that require the use of lesser known songs, theres a bit of something for everyone. Even this contest has a 2 or 3 year waiting list, I wouldn't like to see it pushed out of our schedule
I was thinking about it and it might work as an alternative to what we were going to run, which is a Haven Factor for eliminated acts, so instead of doing that, we have a contest where we pick a failed act from a past series and play the 10 songs or so we want to play, one against each opponent.
There will be many times you already know which one you like better, for the other few you can listen to both songs then decide.
I agree that unless it's Havenvision / Lingovision / Hidden Treasures or whatever, people don't enjoy long contests of listening to lots of unknown songs. Even with those, we find people who give the playlists one listen then vote. Usually I give them at least 3 and it was about the same when I did my weekly charts, I would sometimes rank the new songs for the chart having listened to them in full just 3 times which wasn't really enough.
It often just feels a pity to exit Haven Factor when you haven't played all the songs you wanted to play yet, and also the feeling of your act not having enough good songs, so you either play them all up front and burn out or you have to play a few lesser ones and then don't get to play any of the big ones except in one sing-off, where you are often up against another act doing the same.
I thought Haven Factor was a fun idea at the time but I'm enjoying it a lot less now anyway as it seems more of a matter of whether you have more Arcade Fire fans or more Neil Sedaka fans than saying one is better or worse than the other, when they are from totally different eras of music and make a totally different style, but both are / were major in what they do.
It has nothing to to with being fans, there was 4 acts in HF, that I am generally not keen on and others that I love sometimes those 4 acts have got more points than acts I normally like as the songs that mentor played were not good enough against the competition in that round. Even my favourite act has missed the top 5 for me and in some rounds mentors have played songs that I loved more than my own entry. Somebody has to be in the bottom 2 or 3 and sometimes its not the mentors fault, we are not mind readers, we dont know when some acts will play an early wild card and take themselves out of danger placing others in danger such as Dolly in the last round. We will see everyone's votes at the end and I am sure like every other game peoples votes will be all over the place.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2021 15:56:29 GMT 1
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Post by greendemon on May 12, 2021 16:06:19 GMT 1
Sorry, I had hoped to post it last night but I wasn't feeling very well. I'm also working full-time so it's difficult to find the time to do it during the day. Believe me, I haven't forgotten (even without you tagging me every few days )
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2021 16:38:36 GMT 1
Thank you greendeomon
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Post by greendemon on May 12, 2021 18:28:31 GMT 1
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Post by Smurfie on May 12, 2021 18:43:04 GMT 1
If only I could double like for:
Lingovision being open. And the use of the phrase “Get it while it’s hot!”
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Post by Earl Purple on Jun 13, 2021 21:32:35 GMT 1
I've thought of a new competition.
"One Hit Wonder Idol". 13 rounds, each entry must be qualify as a "one-hit wonder" which means they only had one song that reached the chart (where I say what reaching the chart means, possibly top 20 for the 50s, top 30 for 1960 up to 1978 then top 40 aftewards).
The 13 rounds would be periods of 5 years in which they had their hit, so one round for 1955-59, one for 1960-64 etc. up to the final round which would be 2015-2019.
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Hupin
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Post by Hupin on Jun 13, 2021 21:41:56 GMT 1
I'd prefer a One Hit Wonder Vision, rather than a prolonged competition. I wouldn't have much interest in a lot of the rounds and feel like I would get burnt out having to do it for 14 rounds
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Post by Roo. on Jun 13, 2021 21:45:11 GMT 1
I was going to do a contest where the songs have to be about roaming around.
I’d call it WanderVision.
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Post by Razzle Dazzle on Jun 13, 2021 22:28:07 GMT 1
Personally I often find discovering the back catalogue of 1 hit wonders more interesting than hearing the same hit over and over and over by the same act
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Post by Hupin on Jun 13, 2021 23:06:13 GMT 1
Maybe take the original idea as the basis for how to choose an entry, but... *M.Night Shyamalan twist* ...you have to enter a song other than that one hit
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Post by Shireblogger on Jun 14, 2021 8:03:02 GMT 1
Haven Time Machine and Haven Idol are great competitions. No need to blend them into one with a gimmicky theme like One Hit Wonders. It's a big "no" from me for earl purple's latest idea.
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Post by Smurfie on Jun 14, 2021 8:29:04 GMT 1
One round maybe, but not fourteen all in one sitting. Plus everyone is going to end up entering the same ones anyway.
No from me.
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Post by greendemon on Jun 14, 2021 9:59:01 GMT 1
A multi-round contest sounds like way too much. A single round contest sounds very similar to HIT.
So I'm not sure I see the appeal.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2021 21:15:59 GMT 1
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Post by Mic1812 on Jun 16, 2021 20:25:34 GMT 1
Lets just skip it for this year as there is plenty of other contests waiting to go and i dont mean new
ones made up every week by earl purple
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