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Post by Paddy on May 17, 2024 0:15:53 GMT 1
No local derby next season. The Shame. Southampton for me to get play off final and win.
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Post by Earl Purple on May 17, 2024 11:07:56 GMT 1
If Southampton go up they won't get to play Portsmouth next season
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Post by Shireblogger on May 17, 2024 22:28:46 GMT 1
Just thoroughly enjoyed Leeds' demolition of Norwich in the playoffs down the pub! Same again at Wembley please! No thanks.
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Post by lordmelbury on May 18, 2024 19:54:58 GMT 1
Leeds or Southampton, whoever goes up it doesn't bother me.
By this time tomorrow, it will already be Klopp's last game in English football. He has less than 24 hours left.
His achievements are second to none.... Finally broke Liverpool's Premier League title duck, won all the major international trophies in one calendar year (and the first English club to do it), while re-establishing the club as a major title contender, only to lose legs in the final stages.
I hope he gets a good send off tomorrow, but most importantly Arsenal win the league, which I however can't see happening, it will be like 2014 all over again when the team in red fell short, while the team in sky blue beat West Ham on the final day to win the title.
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Post by lordmelbury on May 19, 2024 16:59:57 GMT 1
We have a glimmer of hope here....
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Post by Robbie on May 20, 2024 8:57:48 GMT 1
Newcastle finished higher than Man Utd in the Premier League for the first time. In fact, I think the last time we finished higher than Man Utd in the league was back in the 70s...
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Post by Earl Purple on May 20, 2024 9:40:37 GMT 1
Newcastle finished higher than Man Utd in the Premier League for the first time. In fact, I think the last time we finished higher than Man Utd in the league was back in the 70s... Now you just need to hope Manchester City win the FA Cup now. My team Charlton have finished above every London team at least once since 1988 except Arsenal.
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Post by Earl Purple on May 20, 2024 9:42:02 GMT 1
Leeds or Southampton, whoever goes up it doesn't bother me. By this time tomorrow, it will already be Klopp's last game in English football. He has less than 24 hours left. His achievements are second to none.... Finally broke Liverpool's Premier League title duck, won all the major international trophies in one calendar year (and the first English club to do it), while re-establishing the club as a major title contender, only to lose legs in the final stages. I hope he gets a good send off tomorrow, but most importantly Arsenal win the league, which I however can't see happening, it will be like 2014 all over again when the team in red fell short, while the team in sky blue beat West Ham on the final day to win the title. I'd say Bill Shankley and Bob Paisley's achievements were greater than his. Not necessarily Joe Fagan and Kenny Dalglish who already inherited a winning team.
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Post by Earl Purple on May 20, 2024 14:14:48 GMT 1
The only season I can ever recall where the team winning the league going into their last game failed to do so. That was Liverpool in 1989 when they lost 0-2 at home to Arsenal.
Manchester City were close to joining them both in 2012 and 2022 coming back against QPR and Aston Villa.
Other seasons it has gone down to the final game but the team leading had it "in their own hands" and went on to win their game. Of course in 1989 a major difference was that the team in the lead was playing against the only other team who could catch them.
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Post by Panda on May 20, 2024 16:29:45 GMT 1
The only season I can ever recall where the team winning the league going into their last game failed to do so. That was Liverpool in 1989 when they lost 0-2 at home to Arsenal. Manchester City were close to joining them both in 2012 and 2022 coming back against QPR and Aston Villa. Other seasons it has gone down to the final game but the team leading had it "in their own hands" and went on to win their game. Of course in 1989 a major difference was that the team in the lead was playing against the only other team who could catch them. Blackburn in 1995 lost their final game against Liverpool but Man U only drew with West Ham so finished a point behind.
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Post by Earl Purple on May 20, 2024 18:57:48 GMT 1
Aston Villa also lost their final game at Arsenal in 1981 but Ipswich lost at Middlesbrough.
I'm referring to an occasion when the team leading the table going into their final game failed to win the title, and the only one I can recall is Liverpool in 1989.
Of course we know it happened in Scotland to Hearts in 1986 (as well as 1965) and also to Celtic one year (they lost at Motherwell and Rangers won the title).
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Post by lordmelbury on May 20, 2024 23:15:50 GMT 1
The only season I can ever recall where the team winning the league going into their last game failed to do so. That was Liverpool in 1989 when they lost 0-2 at home to Arsenal. Manchester City were close to joining them both in 2012 and 2022 coming back against QPR and Aston Villa. Other seasons it has gone down to the final game but the team leading had it "in their own hands" and went on to win their game. Of course in 1989 a major difference was that the team in the lead was playing against the only other team who could catch them. Blackburn in 1995 lost their final game against Liverpool but Man U only drew with West Ham so finished a point behind. I remember that, but Blackburn were top at the start of the day.
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Post by lordmelbury on May 20, 2024 23:19:23 GMT 1
Great end to the season, Arsenal were never going to chase City on that final day, but we gave it a good go and didn't end up losing our legs near the end of the season unlike last time around, we took it to the final day.
That one loss we had in the last few games done us in, but we gave it a good shot and can go into next season in better form to bring into the next one.
When West Ham pulled it back and we made it 1-1 at almost the same time, I was having hope but it wasn't to be.
Well done to Man City anyway.
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Post by Panda on May 23, 2024 1:36:10 GMT 1
Manchester City are suddenly as short as 25/1 to be relegated next season (as a comparison, Arsenal and Liverpool are 2000/1). Does someone somewhere know something about the ongoing charges against them...?
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Post by Paddy on May 23, 2024 12:41:09 GMT 1
It's thought they might get point deduction next season but they need 60 odd points deduction to be relegated.
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Post by o on May 23, 2024 13:16:34 GMT 1
Well they do have 100 accusations against them, 2 points for each should do it.
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Post by Earl Purple on May 23, 2024 23:18:36 GMT 1
They won the league with 91 points this season and Forest stayed up with 32 whilst Luton went down with 26. A 60 point deduction would have still been enough to stay up.
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Post by lordmelbury on May 24, 2024 7:19:48 GMT 1
Worth pointing out here that Luton officially have the lowest points record of any club to have only spent 1 season in the Prem. Every other former Premier League club has achieved more than 26 pts, even Swindon, Barnsley, Blackpool etc
I think you can give Luton credit for scoring a lot of goals this season, but they’ve been very poor. Winning one of their last 17 games. Not surprising at all given their budget, but the narrative surrounding them has been a bit of a stretch for me.
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Post by Shireblogger on May 24, 2024 7:45:50 GMT 1
Rob Edwards has been my Premier Division manager of the season.
- He's brilliantly outpaced Kompany and Wilder, both of whom have good reputations. - He's created a team that is fun to watch. - He's made his supporters really happy. - He's transformed the fortunes of Ross Barkley, and coached most of the rest of his squad to what will, in hindsight, have been their career high points. - He steered the club through the trauma of Tom Lockyer's collapse.
And he's done all of this on the smallest budget in the league, and one which pales compared to the majority of other clubs.
It's very easy to belittle the performance of promoted clubs, but the in-built advantage gained from being established in the Premier Division is enormous. And the gulf between the clubs which play in Europe and those which don't is staggering.
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Post by Earl Purple on May 24, 2024 9:18:27 GMT 1
In 1997-98, all 3 promoted teams were relegated, with 2 of the 3 relegated teams getting promoted back with the other losing in the playoff final, something which is guaranteed again this season.
However there are differences.
The bottom team Crystal Palace had 33 points, Barnsley 35 and Bolton got 40 which most seasons would have been enough for safety. Whereas this season, Sheff Utd had 16, Burnley 24 and Luton 26.
At the top, Arsenal won the league with 78 points. This season they came second with 89. Second was Manchester United one point behind. Only the top 2 qualified for the Champions League and of course Manchester United went on to win it.
Liverpool were 3rd with just 65 points whereas this season they were 3rd but with 82, which would have been enough to win it that season.
There was a "Cup Winners Cup" and Chelsea won it (and qualified for it again). They finished 4th that season, before they had the big money. So actually they were starting to be a decent team already.
In winning the league, Arsenal won 23 games, drew 9 and lost 6, scoring 68 goals and conceding 33 (+35). Manchester United had a better goal-difference (+47). Compare that to this season where Arsenal and Man City were both +62, sweeping teams away.
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