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Post by frag on Jul 24, 2014 18:34:10 GMT 1
I haven't seen many races this year, but I thought the German GP was very entertaining. We knew all along who'd win, yes, but Hamilton's fight through the field was great.
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Post by paulgilb on Jul 26, 2014 23:02:01 GMT 1
Grid for Hungary:
1 Rosberg 2 Vettel 3 Bottas 4 Ricciardo 5 Alonso 6 Massa 7 Button 8 Vergne 9 Hulkenberg 10 Kvyat 11 Sutil 12 Perez 13 Gutierrez 14 Grosjean 15 Bianchi 16 Raikkonen 17 Kobayashi 18 Chilton 19 Ericsson 20 Maldonado (no time in Q1) 21 Magnussen (no time in Q3, pit-lane start) 22 Hamilton (no time in Q1, pit-lane start) Bianchi outqualifying Raikkonen was 'on merit' - Ferrari opted not to send Raikkonen out at the end of Q1.
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Post by Paddy on Jul 27, 2014 15:13:56 GMT 1
Hungary is one of my least favourites, but add a sprinkling of rain and it becomes a good race.
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Post by Robin on Jul 27, 2014 20:49:47 GMT 1
Brilliant drive from Lewis today. Nobody gave him a chance of a podium before the start. Also well done to Ricciardo and Alonso.
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Post by paulgilb on Jul 29, 2014 23:11:47 GMT 1
Some stats/facts that I discovered/read elsewhere:
The 2nd non-Mercedes win of 2014 means that McLaren in 1988 will still be the most successful team ever in terms of % of races won in a calendar year.
3rd time in 4 races that the pole-sitter has not finished on the podium. This last happened at the start of 2010, with Vettel managing all 3 poles (and winning the race that he didn't start on pole!).
First time that there have been 2 safety car periods in a Hungarian GP.
25 consecutive races won by either Red Bull or Mercedes - a record for 2 teams.
First time since 2009 that Hamilton has started 4 consecutive races from outside the top 5.
Hamilton has led a greater distance in Hungary than any other driver.
34th consecutive year in which McLaren have led at least 1 lap - extends their record.
First wet Hungarian GP not to be won by Button.
First wet race since Malaysia 2013 (another race with a Mercedes team-order incident).
Second time (after Belgium 2011) that Rosberg has led the early laps but been beaten by his team-mate who started last.
Both of Ricciardo’s wins have come at tracks where he had never previously scored.
First time Hamilton has started behind his team-mate in Hungary.
2nd consecutive Hungarian double-DNF for Force India.
First time this year that a Mercedes that did not have any technical problems all weekend finished behind a non-Mercedes car.
Hamilton has managed 191 points so far this season – in the last 2 seasons he managed 190 and 189 (in total).
The last 2 wet Hungarian GPs have been won by the same driver whose only previous win that season was the brilliant Canadian GP earlier in the year.
Every race this year has seen one of Bianchi and Raikkonen reach Q2.
First time Raikkonen has started 3 consecutive races outside the top 10 since 2004 (and on that occasion 2 of those were due to engine changes).
First time since Australia/Malaysia 2010 that Hamilton missed Q3 two races in a row.
Nobody has managed 3 consecutive poles at the Hungaroring – 2 in a row has happened on 7 occasions.
Both of Ricciardo’s wins have come after an overtake on lap 68 of 70, and in races where Vettel outqualified him.
Ricciardo now has 2 wins from outside the top 3 on the grid – 2 more than Vettel.
The top 3 drivers on the grid all finished behind their team-mates.
Ericsson’s first non-mechanical DNF.
Grosjean’s first non-mechanical DNF since Monaco 2013 (!).
30 races without a front-row start or win for McLaren.
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Post by -Big Dan- on Aug 19, 2014 1:11:11 GMT 1
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Post by Paul on Aug 19, 2014 7:09:51 GMT 1
Max will have one single year of car racing experience from karting when he makes his debut next year. One year?! Don't get me wrong, he's been a sensation in F3 this year, but I can't help but think he'll miss too much of the fundamentals by being fast tracked to F1. Not only is JEV dropped, but Max leapfrogs Sainz Jr (leading FR3.5), Gasly (3rd in FR3.5 in his rookie year) and Lynn (leading GP3, which Kvyat won last year to get to F1). Feel sorry for them all. What more could any of them have done to prove themselves.
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Post by Shireblogger on Aug 19, 2014 9:25:16 GMT 1
I'd be extremely concerned if I was racing against a 17 year-old. Regardless of his talent, it takes a certain level of maturity to race successfully and safely. There's a lot to be said for progressing quickly, but systematically, through the ranks before getting to F1.
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Post by Paul on Aug 19, 2014 12:34:09 GMT 1
Max is unquestionably very mature for his age, so I don't think that's an issue. It's his lack of experience I'm concerned about.
Max had reportedly signed a Mercedes junior deal, and I guess RB offering him an F1 seat was the only way to lure him. Red Bull seem convinced he's a world champion in the making. From what he's done in his career already you can see why they'd think that. 8 wins in a very competitive F3 championship straight out of karting
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Post by paulgilb on Aug 21, 2014 17:38:54 GMT 1
2 driver changes for Spa (both are supposedly only for one race):
Andre Lotterer (a 3-time Le Mans winner) replaces Kobayashi at Caterham. He will be the oldest debutant since Giovanni Lavaggi in 1995.
Alexander Rossi replaces Chilton at Marussia due to 'contractual issues' (i.e. Chilton's sponsors haven't paid up). He is the first American in F1 since Scott Speed in Europe 2007 - which was a race which featured a German driver making a one-off appearance for a backmarker team...
If these drivers start the race, they will become the first drivers to make their debuts at somewhere other than Albert Park since Daniel Ricciardo in Britain 2011. It will also mark the first time since Italy 2001 (Alex Yoong, Tomas Enge) that 2 drivers have made their debut in the same mid-season race.
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Post by Paul on Aug 22, 2014 6:48:38 GMT 1
Marussia said there were contractual issues with Max, yet Chilton's people felt the need to put out a statement suggesting that Max heroically stepped aside for Marussia to sell his seat as the team is struggling. I'm sure that Marussia will not be pleased about the disloyalty in Max's version of events. It's typical Chilton though - he has such insecurity that he feels the need to continually suggest he's a quality driver that's got his seat on merit.
Of course, neither side of the story is true; Daddy Chilton just can't pay up. I wouldn't be surprised if Max has run his last F1 race. Wouldn't be a bad thing.
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Post by paulgilb on Aug 22, 2014 22:21:51 GMT 1
I think we both tempted fate there...
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Post by paulgilb on Aug 23, 2014 22:41:32 GMT 1
Grid for Belgium: 1 Rosberg 2 Hamilton 3 Vettel 4 Alonso 5 Ricciardo 6 Bottas 7 Magnussen 8 Raikkonen 9 Massa 10 Button 11 Kvyat 12 Vergne 13 Perez 14 Sutil 15 Grosjean 16 Bianchi 17 Maldonado 18 Hulkenberg 19 Chilton 20 Gutierrez 21 Lotterer 22 Ericsson Rosberg becomes the first driver to manage 4 consecutive poles since Hamilton managed it in the same 4 races last year.
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Post by raliverpool on Aug 24, 2014 18:48:37 GMT 1
I know it is a Bank Holiday weekend, but I'm amazed there are no comments on the astonishing events which have taken place AFTER the end of the race.
And I'm not talking about Magnussen getting a 20 second penalty demoting him out of the points.
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Post by Paul on Aug 24, 2014 19:20:18 GMT 1
What, Lewis' sh1t stirring?
Toto Wolff has said that Rosberg admitted to making a point by being forceful to try and make the move at the corner. This is the man who came under such criticism at points this year, including last time out at Hungary, for not having the kahunas to be aggressive and go for a move. Lewis' version of events, that Rosberg said that he deliberately crashed into him to make a point, makes no sense whatsoever. It doesn't fit with the intelligent driver that we know Rosberg is, and there's too much risk involved for Rosberg if it was done deliberately.
Surely it's obvious that it was a racing incident? The stewards didn't even feel the need to investigate it.
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Post by rubcale on Aug 24, 2014 19:22:32 GMT 1
It's becoming worrying the way Hamilton is being dogged by bad luck this year.
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Post by frag on Aug 24, 2014 19:38:32 GMT 1
It looked to me like the sort of stupid move Lewis would try himself.
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Post by raliverpool on Aug 24, 2014 20:19:58 GMT 1
What, Lewis' sh1t stirring? Toto Wolff has said that Rosberg admitted to making a point by being forceful to try and make the move at the corner. This is the man who came under such criticism at points this year, including last time out at Hungary, for not having the kahunas to be aggressive and go for a move. Lewis' version of events, that Rosberg said that he deliberately crashed into him to make a point, makes no sense whatsoever. It doesn't fit with the intelligent driver that we know Rosberg is, and there's too much risk involved for Rosberg if it was done deliberately. Surely it's obvious that it was a racing incident? The stewards didn't even feel the need to investigate it. I don't know what you are smoking but: From SkyF1: It's just been reported that Rosberg said in a meeting after the race that he did it on purpose "to prove a point". Both Wolff and Lauda confirm Hamilton's version of what Rosberg said in the meeting. SSN reports that the Mercedes boss Toto Wolff has confirmed Rosberg acknowledged "he could have avoided crashing but didn’t [in order to] make a point.” As for the stewards not investigating, come on you should know the rules of F1. As unless it is appallingly blatant they turn a blind eye to racing incidents between team mates if they affect no other driver/team; unless the said Team requests FIA Race Officials to investigate the incident. Which for obvious reasons would be cutting off your nose to spite your face because of the time penalties or worse involved.
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Post by Paul on Aug 24, 2014 20:34:12 GMT 1
This is what Toto said from Autosport: "Nico felt he needed to hold his line. He needed to make a point, and for Lewis, it was clearly not him who needed to be aware of Nico. [Rosberg] didn't give in. He thought it was for Lewis to leave him space, and that Lewis didn't leave him space. So they agreed to disagree in a very heated discussion amongst ourselves, but it wasn't deliberately crashing. That is nonsense." www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/115558This isn't at all what Lewis said. The "point" that Rosberg was making has got massively misinterpreted. It seems fairly clear to me anyway that the point was he was going to get stuck in and race wheel-to-wheel. Why would it make any sense for Nico to make a point by crashing into Hamilton? He risked losing much more if it was deliberate.
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Post by smokeyb on Aug 24, 2014 21:11:58 GMT 1
Nothing new, teammates going for the championship have crashed into each other before....Senna v Prost spring to mi nd. This incident was norhing as bad as that.
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