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Post by frag on Jan 14, 2011 13:13:11 GMT 1
Johnson's was very similar to the Gerrard tackle that saw him sent off last season. Ridgewell's yellow was a foul on Walcott during the first half, there were others shown on MOTD but I can't remember them now. He has a history of obscene tackles - see the videos posted here for just two. Having watched Jerome's stamp again, it certainly looks deliberate - he's hurdling Koscielny and could avoid stepping on him, but his right leg reaches backwards and finds shin. RVP - I guess you're referring to the dive that led to our first goal against you; I'll give you that one. Fabregas? Please provide examples. He's surely one of the most fouled players. The opposition can't cope with him so they dive in at him at every opportunity. Wilshere?! Did his face get in the way of Zigic's hand? How inconsiderate of the young Englishman. Walcott has dived exactly once, in a high-pressure situation, and owned up to his mistake. By your standard, every person who commits a single foul or dive is a cheat. Since Ramsey's leg got in the way of Shawcross, our games have come under the spotlight with more red cards for both sides. For the first few months of the season it was a relative rarity that the match finished with 22 players on the pitch. This season, we've made 0.5 more fouls per game and received an additional 0.5 yellow cards per game, a disproportionate increase. On the other hand, our opponents have miraculously reduced their fouls/game from 14.7 to 11.4, while their own cards/game has dropped by 0.5. Bookings don't tell the whole story when potential leg-breaking tackles are treated with the same punishment as obstruction.
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Post by vastar iner on Jan 15, 2011 0:53:49 GMT 1
The very first Premiership match we played, we finished with 10 men. We were 2-0 down at the time and Aliou Cisse was sent off. It was overturned on appeal. Why? Because Ashley Cole dived to get him sent off. The champions, sending out players to dive against obvious relegation strugglers when the game was already won. That's what we're dealing with.
You know there have been more penalties for Arsenal for "fouls" on Chamakh than we have had in three seasons?
As for that video of Ridgewell on Walcott...sorry, I fail to see that there's anything at all wrong with that. He goes for, and gets, the ball. And to say Jerome's foot "reaches backwards and finds shin" is libellous if nothing else. You can see it's a clear accident; what it doesn't show is that Koscielny was rolling around in total agony for about 20 seconds, and then he got up and trotted off as if nothing had happened when it was apparent the referee wasn't going to buy his cheating.
But that's Arsenal. They never do anything wrong ever. Their gaseous emanations are perfumed and any red card is due to leaving the pitch without permission to save orphans from rapist arsonists.
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Post by Tom on Jan 15, 2011 14:05:30 GMT 1
Agree with your last 4, they're the standout ties of the round as it stands atm for me. As for our game i did think it may possibly be shown initially but thought that was probably just me being biased! I'm not sure ESPN will show Stevenage again, not against a Championship club, ITV definitely won't. It really depends on the outcome of the replays, the 5th match to be picked looks open. Heard about two-thirds of the Stevenage game coming back from Reading on Sat on 5Live, 3-1 sounded a fair scoreline, although from watching the highlights Tiote's red card challenge wasn't as bad as the commentatators made it sound. Just knew we'd get them in the next round, other than another Championship club away its the tie i least wanted. Tbh i'd take a replay and beat them at the Mad Stad in the replay. Its strange, we've only reached the 5th rd a handful of times but if we do it this year it won't actually seem that special. The West Brom result was pretty good but it wasn't a surprise and 1-0 up against 10 men for half an hour i expected us to win anyway. Then in the next round we've got a match we're expected to come through. How about Birmingham v Coventry? Local derby between struggling prem club and an improving championship club. If Cov were at home, it'd be an easy pick. Thats the thing, if Cov were at home They're not so it doesn't really appeal to me. And Boothroyd's sides aren't the most exciting to watch either... Saturday Lunch will be Everton - Chelsea Sunday Lunch Arsenal/Leeds - Huddersfield Sunday Afternoon Fulham Tottenham Other game will be Notts County - Man City or West Ham - Forest Utterly uninspiring picks yet again from ITV and ESPN pandering to the top teams! WOEFUL! I was hoping Arsenal/Leeds-Huddersfield wouldn't be picked. If Leeds get through that will be a rubbish tie. If it was at Huddersfield it would be of interest but derby or not Championship at home to League 1 just doesn't really appeal to me, not when there's a big difference in places between them.
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Post by Tom on Jan 15, 2011 14:17:14 GMT 1
Crawley play like that every week, that's why this league is so chuffing hard to get out of, plus they splash the cash on loads of players, their normal crowd is 1300, but they deserved the win, Derby were poor, and it was a dive for the penalty. I'll say it again, one match ban for divers! At least the pen was saved, and looks like Tubbsy should have been red carded for the 2 footed tackle on Savage, then again it was on Savage... Torquay v Crawley in the next round and it's Torquay that put Mansfield out! I knew that Crawley had spent a lot because I live with someone from Crawley and am good mates with another and both follow them as a second team, but I was still shocked that the amount they spent on transfers in the summer was more than the 24 League 2 clubs combined! There's something a bit iffy about Crawley. They were nearly bankrupt a few years back, yet are spending more than League One and have as manager a chap who was banned after the Boston cheating... Crawley is very dodgy, leagues should enforce an income to wages ratio to stop teams like that steamrollering their way to the top. What I dont get is what is in it for the investors, because what does spending 5 million to get into the Football league achieve, unless you have 5 million in dirty money? With Chelsea you can see that winning the Prem League, FA Cup and Chanps League are all prestiguous, but gaining entry to the Football league? Unless they seriously think they can keep climbing the ladder? When/If the investors pull out they are seriously in the sh*t, which is where they were a few years ago... I read an article about Crawley the other day. I forget the specifics but basically the jist of it was that although they spend a lot in transfer fees their wage bill isn't that bad and compares favourably with other clubs, think League 2 may have been mentioned, but as i said i can't remember the specifics. It was also mentioned that they don't use add-ons of any kind, its just a basic wage.
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Post by o on Jan 15, 2011 14:31:17 GMT 1
I read that article as well, and I smell bullsh*t, I'm sorry they've taken people from the Championship, who would be on 5k a week, they then say they took a paycut, yes to 3k a week! Still 150k for a Conference player at a Conference club with crowds of 1300! Brodie didn't want to leave York, the only reason he did has to be the wages, and the fee York got for him. THere is no way young Championship players would move to a Conference team "to live the dream", especially if they have to take a huge paycut!
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Post by Paddy on Jan 17, 2011 18:07:59 GMT 1
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Post by suedehead on Jan 30, 2011 17:23:06 GMT 1
Manchester United v Crawley Town in the fifth round
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Post by o on Jan 30, 2011 17:42:03 GMT 1
Even more money for a team that doesn't need it Burnley and Leyton Orient are the Haven teams now.
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Post by Robin on Jan 30, 2011 17:55:36 GMT 1
Well done Notts a gritty but fine performance this afternoon! A draw was probably the right result! Eastlands here we come!
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Post by o on Jan 30, 2011 18:52:21 GMT 1
You can tell they play rugby on your pitch robin Nice result for you and the pressure's off for the replay... The Bendtner penalty wasn't a pen, then again though why did the ref not red card the defender if he thought it was a penalty? And where's TWP when his team are 4-0 down! Oh yeah, he's banned for another day, anyone reckon he'll be throwing a big hissy fit at this point in time?
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Post by frag on Jan 31, 2011 0:21:19 GMT 1
The Bendtner penalty wasn't a pen, then again though why did the ref not red card the defender if he thought it was a penalty? That was a certain pen, and should also have been a red card - but then Clattenberg is a sh*t referee who clearly felt sorry for Huddersfield after giving the penalty, a) not sending off their defender, b) giving them a completely random free kick, c) booking Cesc for being pushed over, d) letting them set a wall 6 yards away from a free kick - all of those in the last few minutes. Squill's red card was questionable - the guy punted the ball about 10 yards in front of him and there were other players who could have covered. Not an "obvious" GSO. Clattenberg was the same "referee" who gave the 'advantage' goal at Man U-Spurs, surely he should have been sacked by now?
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Post by Robin on Jan 31, 2011 10:53:28 GMT 1
I also thought Squillaci's red card was a bit harsh, it was not a clear cut goal scoring opportunity!
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Post by o on Jan 31, 2011 11:22:38 GMT 1
I'm sorry Squillaci stuck an arm out as well as his chest to block the guy off, it was a red card, in fact someone on the halfway line tried to hack him down and missed! He was past squillaci and through on goal. What I found interesting with the Bendtner penalty was the mere brush of a shirt and he hit the ground, then look at dembele, shirt tugged by the Spurs defender, but carried on and tried to score, very commendable imo. Squillaci should have been sent off, but so should the Huddersfield defender if it was a penalty.
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Post by Tom on Jan 31, 2011 16:54:41 GMT 1
I'm sorry Squillaci stuck an arm out as well as his chest to block the guy off, it was a red card, in fact someone on the halfway line tried to hack him down and missed! He was past squillaci and through on goal. What I found interesting with the Bendtner penalty was the mere brush of a shirt and he hit the ground, then look at dembele, shirt tugged by the Spurs defender, but carried on and tried to score, very commendable imo. Squillaci should have been sent off, but so should the Huddersfield defender if it was a penalty. Pretty much agree with all of that, except the Bendtner pen, it was debatable but i thought it was. Found a link to a couple of live streams at HT for our game, and when one of them was actually working i managed to see half an hour in total of the 2nd half. Not sure whether we deserved it or not, Stevenage had a 10 min spell when they were prob unfortunate not to get a penalty, then equalised, and then put us under pressure to the extent that we were hanging on a bit. From reading the BBC text updates it seems that we were in control for the rest of the game though, and they said in commentary before Stevenage's goal that Federici hadn't had much to do. Last 10 mins is our traditional time to score though (without conceding either), thats at least 11 goals i think we've scored in the last 5 mins alone this season! As for the draw, undecided about Everton/Chelsea away, its not the home draw i was looking for but it is a Prem team i guess. For televised ties, its not exactly clear cut, just 2 ties stand out for me: Leyton Orient vs. Arsenal Manchester United vs. Crawley Town It was mentioned in a club text that the Chelsea-Everton replay is being played on the 19th Feb, on 5th rd weekend, presumably because of the international/European games coming up. I assume the same is true for Man City-Notts County as well. So the 5th rd games involving those clubs can be ruled out for TV as far as that weekend is concerned. It will be interesting to see if the replays get televised that weekend or not, and whether the 5th rd ties are shown whenever they're eventually played, would guess not.
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Post by Maximo Mark on Jan 31, 2011 17:37:15 GMT 1
Yeah TV will be a bit weird as there will be 6 5th round games and 2 4th round games played on that weekend.
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Post by suedehead on Jan 31, 2011 19:12:46 GMT 1
How many games are due to be shown over 5th round weekend? Is it still five?
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Post by Maximo Mark on Feb 1, 2011 0:28:13 GMT 1
I assume there should still be five 5th round ties plus two 4th round replays. I've no idea how it'll work though.
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Post by frag on Feb 1, 2011 14:06:44 GMT 1
A few years ago, Arsenal ended up a round behind after a replay got postponed. The 4th round replay was shown live on 5th round weekend, and the 5th round tie was shown live on 6th round weekend.
Chelsea could have serious fixture congestion problems. The replay can't be played before the 5th round weekend because even though they don't have a European game in the midweek before the 5th round game (Man City do), but their league match is on the Monday. You'd think they could move the league game to the Saturday, then play the replay on the Wednesday.
Their fixture list as it stands: Tue 1 Feb - Sunderland (a) Sun 6 - Liverpool (h) (Wed 9 - interlull) Mon 14 - Fulham (a) Sat 19 - Everton (h) (FA R4R) Tue 22 - FC Copenhagen (a) (CL R1L1) (Sat 26 - game vs Birmingham postponed due to Carling Cup final - presumably reading can't play then) Tue 1 Mar - Man Utd (h) Mon 7 - Blackpool (a) (Sat 12 - FA 5th round v Reading? this is 6th round day) Wed 16 - FC Copenhagen (h) (CL R1L2) Sun 20 - Man City (h) (interlull) Sat 2 Apr - Stoke (a) 5/6 Apr - CL QF L1 Sat 9 Apr - Wigan (h) 12/13 Apr - CL QF L2 Sat 16 Apr - West Brom (a) or FA Semi final
So if they progress to the FA cup quarter final and the CL quarter final (which looks very likely), they'll have to move one of their precious Monday matches, or the FA cup semi final will be postponed until the following midweek - if they do this, and then get to the FA cup final and CL semi final, then their end of season will be intense:
Sat 30 Apr - Spurs (h) 3/4 May - CL SF L2 Sat 7 May - Man Utd (a) Tue 10 May - Birmingham (h) Sat 14 May - FA cup final Tue 17 May - Newcastle (h) Thu 19 May - West Brom (a) Sun 22 May - Everton (a)
And that's without any further replays. They'd better hope they don't get that far!
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Post by Maximo Mark on Feb 1, 2011 17:37:21 GMT 1
Why can't Chelsea play Monday, replay Thursday, FA Cup 6th Round Sunday?
Forest and Arsenal have to play tonight after playing on Sunday, surely they can do it with an extra days break? Pathetic!
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Post by frag on Feb 1, 2011 19:14:21 GMT 1
Why can't Chelsea play Monday, replay Thursday, FA Cup 6th Round Sunday? Forest and Arsenal have to play tonight after playing on Sunday, surely they can do it with an extra days break? Pathetic! That option will be open when it comes to the 5th round in early March, but it's not available this week due to the CL game on Tuesday. That would be the most logical way to get round the problem, yes.
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