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Post by Earl Purple on Jun 17, 2021 17:47:30 GMT 1
There have to be rules, primarily what qualifies as a one-hit wonder and there are borderline cases like Tubeway Army - are they considered a one-hit wonder or just Gary Numan under a group name? If they were a bona-fide group why have British Hit Singles always put them together, they don't normally do that with groups and individual members. Many solo artists play songs live that they made with the previous band. Liam Gallagher plays Oasis songs, Paul McCartney plays Beatles songs and others followed. I saw Morrissey live in 1995 and the set included a couple of Smiths songs. Most of the time it's straightforward. Tin Machine had one top 40 hit, and therefore they qualify, even though David Bowie was the lead singer and had many hits outside the band. And British Hit Singles doesn't list them under David Bowie. Whether anyone wants to play it or not depends of they think it's a good choice, but if they did, I'd certainly allow it. In one hour you have moved from "different recording name" to "maybe include, maybe exclude depending on whether it was included in a random live set" to "let Tim Rice and Paul Gambaccini decide". That looks like a recipe for confusion, frustration and a huge amount of wasted time to me.
so do you consider Tubeway Army a one-hit wonder or Gary Numan using a different name. Would you allow "Pills And Soap" by The Imposter because it doesn't say "Elvis Costello" on the label so you don't count it as an Elvis Costello song? What do you think is a one-hit wonder and what is not?
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Post by Shireblogger on Jun 17, 2021 17:50:12 GMT 1
In one hour you have moved from "different recording name" to "maybe include, maybe exclude depending on whether it was included in a random live set" to "let Tim Rice and Paul Gambaccini decide". That looks like a recipe for confusion, frustration and a huge amount of wasted time to me. so do you consider Tubeway Army a one-hit wonder or Gary Numan using a different name. Would you allow "Pills And Soap" by The Imposter because it doesn't say "Elvis Costello" on the label so you don't count it as an Elvis Costello song? What do you think is a one-hit wonder and what is not? I don't care. I'm not making up really complicated rules for a competition that few people seem interested in playing. Besides, if I were to make any suggestions, you would either ignore them completely, or go with your own proposal which would deliberately be different.
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Post by Earl Purple on Jun 17, 2021 17:52:36 GMT 1
so do you consider Tubeway Army a one-hit wonder or Gary Numan using a different name. Would you allow "Pills And Soap" by The Imposter because it doesn't say "Elvis Costello" on the label so you don't count it as an Elvis Costello song? What do you think is a one-hit wonder and what is not? I don't care. I'm not making up really complicated rules for a competition that few people seem interested in playing. Besides, if I were to make any suggestions, you would either ignore them completely, or go with your own proposal which would deliberately be different. You're welcome to make suggestions, I'm even planning to go with your duplicate entry rules you introduced in Time Machine 2010s that Roo then used again in Cover Idol.
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Post by Smurfie on Jun 17, 2021 20:41:42 GMT 1
This has gone from a reasonable idea, to every inch of fun thrashed out of it in the space of a few pages. With multiple rule changes already practically every song revealed that could enter, and also alienating possibly half the core posters that would have taken part by suggesting we are not knowledgable enough than the contest owner, so will lose anyway - hardly tempting.
I’m out. And not scheduling it in any time soon as it overlaps two other popular contests we have.
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Post by Earl Purple on Jun 18, 2021 8:40:20 GMT 1
This has gone from a reasonable idea, to every inch of fun thrashed out of it in the space of a few pages. With multiple rule changes already practically every song revealed that could enter, and also alienating possibly half the core posters that would have taken part by suggesting we are not knowledgable enough than the contest owner, so will lose anyway - hardly tempting. I’m out. And not scheduling it in any time soon as it overlaps two other popular contests we have. A reasonable idea, and feedback from others, the first one that 14 rounds covering 5 years each would be far too many, so taken on board and halving that number, and also incorporating Whitneyfan's idea of a round of one-hit wonder artists but a different song, but every time I have tried to run a contest I've always had a load of people who don't like the rules, which I try to make as clear as possible. To define a one-hit wonder you have to make a clear rule as to what counts as a "hit" and what does not, so you know the artist had just one of them, and then you have to make out what counts as a distinct artist, to know that it doesn't combine with another one if they share members, or is just the same member(s) using a different name. "Pills And Soap" is obviously not a one-hit wonder song, it's just Elvis Costello (or Declan McManus if you prefer), who had loads of other hits as Elvis Costello. Tubeway Army is a grey area because it appears for a long time to have been "merged in" with Gary Numan's subsequent solo career.
For those who don't know 50s music, Elvis Presley had his first hit in 1956 and released loads of music, many of his hits getting to number one. The Everly Brothers appeared about a year later and were probably the next most successful artist after Elvis, with number ones "All I Have To Do Is Dream", "Cathy's Clown", "Walk Right Back" and "Temptation" as well as other well-known songs "Bye Bye Love", "Wake Up Little Susie", "Crying In The Rain". As was mentioned, in the early 50s, swing / easy listening was popular and Dean Martin was one of the major artists in that field. Other early 50s popular singers were Frankie Laine who spent a lot of weeks at number one in 1953, Guy Mitchell and Johnnie Ray, and the most popular female singer of that era was Doris Day. A one-hit wonder from the 50s for whom I'd prefer to play a different song would be Patti Paige. Pretty much every song she released was better than her one hit "How Much Is That Doggie In The Window".
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Post by TheThorne on Jun 18, 2021 8:45:38 GMT 1
Sigh, I really don’t care. Honestly I’d rather play GD classical vision than a 50s game
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Post by Mic1812 on Jun 18, 2021 9:29:02 GMT 1
give it a rest ep
nobody is interested
one hit wonder is 1 hit single in top 75 and nothing else ever.
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Post by greendemon on Jun 18, 2021 15:32:11 GMT 1
I am definitely happy to run/participate in Classical Vision/Time Machine Ultra Retro Edition but I assume it's pretty low down on the list given everything else we've got earmarked.
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Post by Earl Purple on Jun 18, 2021 18:01:13 GMT 1
Sigh, I really don’t care. Honestly I’d rather play GD classical vision than a 50s game It wasn't intended as a 50s game, that's only one round.
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Post by Smurfie on Jun 18, 2021 18:41:33 GMT 1
I am definitely happy to run/participate in Classical Vision/Time Machine Ultra Retro Edition but I assume it's pretty low down on the list given everything else we've got earmarked. If it’s one round, it’s easy to fit in! If it’s seven hundred rounds of your favourite Prokofiev of choice through to 15th century Tibetan nose flute music - might struggle.
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Post by Earl Purple on Jun 20, 2021 10:24:39 GMT 1
give it a rest ep nobody is interested one hit wonder is 1 hit single in top 75 and nothing else ever. It's what the person who runs the competition decides it is, i.e. what qualifies as a "hit", and then the artist had just one song that meets that.
It's also up to the one who is running a contest to decide on ambiguous cases e.g. Tubeway Army.
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Post by Earl Purple on Jun 20, 2021 10:26:26 GMT 1
I am definitely happy to run/participate in Classical Vision/Time Machine Ultra Retro Edition but I assume it's pretty low down on the list given everything else we've got earmarked. If it’s one round, it’s easy to fit in! If it’s seven hundred rounds of your favourite Prokofiev of choice through to 15th century Tibetan nose flute music - might struggle. Oh I'd like lots of rounds so we can put in our best Bach, Haydn, Mozart, Beethoven, Chopin and Rachmaninoff tunes, as well as a chance to play my favourite Leroy Anderson as a mid-20th century classical composer.
And I hope we'd have some opera in there too as well as more modern composers like Gilbert And Sullivan etc.
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Post by greendemon on Jun 20, 2021 10:54:45 GMT 1
In the Lingovision thread I mentioned that I was planning a champions mini competition after the main contest. I realised, somewhat belatedly, that I don't think I ever discussed that in here!
What are people's thoughts on this? I'm happy to give it a miss or delay it until next year if things are a bit crowded.
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Post by Smurfie on Jun 20, 2021 14:51:06 GMT 1
I’m happy with that.
I know Pot Pourri Idol should be on its way soon, but I guess that’s a few weeks off before we even get to round one.
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Post by Earl Purple on Jun 21, 2021 9:29:33 GMT 1
In the Lingovision thread I mentioned that I was planning a champions mini competition after the main contest. I realised, somewhat belatedly, that I don't think I ever discussed that in here! What are people's thoughts on this? I'm happy to give it a miss or delay it until next year if things are a bit crowded. Top 2 from each contest, 20 songs, you can vote for your own song if you have one in there (and I will) and optional voting? That's (Previously we've done top 3 from 8 Hidden Indie Treasure contests, and when I did the "champion of champions" it didn't get a lot of voters. I had 3 songs in there and Shireblogger about 5 or so)
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Post by greendemon on Jun 21, 2021 9:35:16 GMT 1
Yes, top 2 from each contest and you can vote for any song you originally submitted. 20 songs to listen to off the back of a song contest with 23 songs is more than enough without making it 30.
I'm planning to leave it open for at least a month as well as I know a) it's summer and people will be making plans, and b) I am wary of song contest fatigue with this and HF.
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Post by Earl Purple on Jun 21, 2021 21:18:00 GMT 1
and the 3 weeks are coming, starting this Sunday.
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Post by Wanderlust on Jul 26, 2021 19:40:25 GMT 1
Is anyone interested in running the summer anthems competition? I am afraid I don't think I shall have the time to run it so any takers warmly welcomed.
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Post by ManicKangaroo on Jul 26, 2021 20:55:47 GMT 1
It was suggested (and agreed by a couple of others) that we skip it this year.
I'm not sure it's sustainable as an annual contest and with so many other competitions running it's a struggle to fit into the schedule.
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Post by Jordan on Oct 30, 2021 15:26:59 GMT 1
My list of potential HIT tracks is now a full compilations worth
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