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Post by ManicKangaroo on Jun 17, 2021 9:32:55 GMT 1
Trying to find so many one hit wonders would be very time consuming. I'm out
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Post by Earl Purple on Jun 17, 2021 9:46:35 GMT 1
Trying to find so many one hit wonders would be very time consuming. I'm out I'm sure you're quite knowledgeable on music, and would manage to find one for each category. It would be time consuming to listen to all of them to work out the best one.
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Post by ManicKangaroo on Jun 17, 2021 10:07:35 GMT 1
I'm sure I could find one for each category eventually but I don't have the time or the inclination. It takes me long enough to find tracks usually without having the extra constriction of it being a one hit wonder.
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Post by Razzle Dazzle on Jun 17, 2021 10:12:05 GMT 1
It becomes less about being a fun game and more about having an encyclopedic knowledge of chart history though, specifically which act had 1 hit. I couldn't tell you with any certainty so would have to double check everything and 9/10 times the act would have no hits or 2 or 3 hits not just 1 so you would spend most of your time scrubbing off acts that don't qualify. It would have to be so deeply researched it strips away any fun.
Is the idea to enter the 1 hit an act had or to enter other songs by the 1 hit wonders that weren't hits? I find the latter more appealing.
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Post by Earl Purple on Jun 17, 2021 11:05:44 GMT 1
It becomes less about being a fun game and more about having an encyclopedic knowledge of chart history though, specifically which act had 1 hit. I couldn't tell you with any certainty so would have to double check everything and 9/10 times the act would have no hits or 2 or 3 hits not just 1 so you would spend most of your time scrubbing off acts that don't qualify. It would have to be so deeply researched it strips away any fun. Is the idea to enter the 1 hit an act had or to enter other songs by the 1 hit wonders that weren't hits? I find the latter more appealing. It was going to be mostly the former (you enter their hit) but with one special round of the latter (you enter a song by an artist that had one hit, but you don't enter their hit). Styx qualify as one-hit wonders according to the rules I gave as they had one top 40 hit, although they had a few others that reached the top 75. So you could play "Babe" in the 1972-1981 round, or one of their other songs in the special round.
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Post by Razzle Dazzle on Jun 17, 2021 11:32:13 GMT 1
Yeah I get the concept but in practice I love Styx, I love the music but I didn't know they were a 1 hit band (based on the rules) because I pay very little attention to the charts other than 1996-2000 when I was a kid so I wouldn't know if they qualified off the top of my head and a lot of people will be the same, in practice it will end up being a load of people who enter the first song they found by accident that qualifies verses a few people who know all the hits, all the 1 hit bands and probably know what they would enter right now to win, it would be too lopsided between the casual music fan and the hardcore chart geeks to make a go of it but that's just my opinion, I have plenty of free time so i'm sure I could wrangle a list together and do ok if there is enough interest but im not sure there will be
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Post by Earl Purple on Jun 17, 2021 11:37:36 GMT 1
Yeah I get the concept but in practice I love Styx, I love the music but I didn't know they were a 1 hit band (based on the rules) because I pay very little attention to the charts other than 1996-2000 when I was a kid so I wouldn't know if they qualified off the top of my head and a lot of people will be the same, in practice it will end up being a load of people who enter the first song they found by accident that qualifies verses a few people who know all the hits, all the 1 hit bands and probably know what they would enter right now to win, it would be too lopsided between the casual music fan and the hardcore chart geeks to make a go of it but that's just my opinion, I have plenty of free time so i'm sure I could wrangle a list together and do ok if there is enough interest but im not sure there will be You could say, putting it that way, that I had a big advantage in Cover Idol, because of my music knowledge that many well-known popular songs were cover versions, that others might not have known were covers. I also had to pick them, but it helped to enter classics such as "Tainted Love" by Soft Cell that others may have thought was the original version. So yes, those with more musical knowledge may well have an advantage like I did in Cover Idol.
The UK chart is the only chart that counts for this purpose. Styx had many top 10 hits in the USA. Soft Cell are one-hit wonders there but wouldn't qualify here of course.
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Post by Razzle Dazzle on Jun 17, 2021 11:48:50 GMT 1
The problem is some people don't have a list of acts committed to memory that qualify as 1 hit wonders but they will have a long list of covers committed to memory so most rounds the search process will be check act i like>scrub them off the list>check another act i like>scrub them off the list until you find a one hit wonder and that's time consuming
How the hell are we meant to know a potential qualifying song got to #17 in 1958, compared to knowing Tainted Love by Soft Cell exists!
This sounds like an extreme contest for the majority of casual Haven music fans like a rap idol would be or a Haven's 1940 #1 rate. Listen to what everyone is saying, the feedback will tell us if its a good idea, I'm not against it, I'd give it a go, its not me that needs convincing
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Post by TheThorne on Jun 17, 2021 11:51:33 GMT 1
Also just because some people won’t enter doesn’t mean you still won’t get 20+ entries so no point trying to persuade the naysayers or the not interested.
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Post by Earl Purple on Jun 17, 2021 12:58:53 GMT 1
The problem is some people don't have a list of acts committed to memory that qualify as 1 hit wonders but they will have a long list of covers committed to memory so most rounds the search process will be check act i like>scrub them off the list>check another act i like>scrub them off the list until you find a one hit wonder and that's time consuming How the hell are we meant to know a potential qualifying song got to #17 in 1958, compared to knowing Tainted Love by Soft Cell exists! This sounds like an extreme contest for the majority of casual Haven music fans like a rap idol would be or a Haven's 1940 #1 rate. Listen to what everyone is saying, the feedback will tell us if its a good idea, I'm not against it, I'd give it a go, its not me that needs convincing
I just went onto the OCC and picked a random chart week in 1958. Looking down the top 30, most of them you know are not one-hit wonders, I mean Everly Brothers, Elvis Presley, Dean Martin and others on the list. You must have terrible knowledge of music if you ever considered they might be. You might have thought Vic Damone was other than him appearing again in the chart lower down.
Two of the artists on there though are one-hit wonders, one of them with their number one. The other, surprisingly, is a one-hit wonder in my chart with a totally different song (which even got to #1) so would qualify for my other part of my contest.
So if you've picked songs for all the other rounds and are "lazy" and just need something, you can find it that way. The same way I have to research a bit to find foreign-language songs, and I could put in more effort finding something very good or I could be lazy and just enter the first thing I come across that qualifies for the sake of it.
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Post by TheThorne on Jun 17, 2021 13:26:51 GMT 1
The problem is some people don't have a list of acts committed to memory that qualify as 1 hit wonders but they will have a long list of covers committed to memory so most rounds the search process will be check act i like>scrub them off the list>check another act i like>scrub them off the list until you find a one hit wonder and that's time consuming How the hell are we meant to know a potential qualifying song got to #17 in 1958, compared to knowing Tainted Love by Soft Cell exists! This sounds like an extreme contest for the majority of casual Haven music fans like a rap idol would be or a Haven's 1940 #1 rate. Listen to what everyone is saying, the feedback will tell us if its a good idea, I'm not against it, I'd give it a go, its not me that needs convincing
I just went onto the OCC and picked a random chart week in 1958. Looking down the top 30, most of them you know are not one-hit wonders, I mean Everly Brothers, Elvis Presley, Dean Martin and others on the list. You must have terrible knowledge of music if you ever considered they might be.
Statements like that are why I am out!!
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Post by Earl Purple on Jun 17, 2021 13:42:03 GMT 1
I just went onto the OCC and picked a random chart week in 1958. Looking down the top 30, most of them you know are not one-hit wonders, I mean Everly Brothers, Elvis Presley, Dean Martin and others on the list. You must have terrible knowledge of music if you ever considered they might be.
Statements like that are why I am out!!
You thought maybe the Everly Brothers, Elvis Presley or Dean Martin are one-hit wonders?
All potential Haven Factor acts...
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Post by TheThorne on Jun 17, 2021 13:44:30 GMT 1
Statements like that are why I am out!!
You thought maybe the Everly Brothers, Elvis Presley or Dean Martin are one-hit wonders?
I know nothing about the Everly Brothers other than my dad used to listen to them, so I am obviously not qualified for your game. Did they do that 'Sun ain't going shine anymore' song? that's one hit, don't know any others... ok thought of another did they do 'Cathy's Clown' even still that was an effort and you expect the younger members of the forums to have this knowledge. But no we must all have terrible knowledge.
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Post by Razzle Dazzle on Jun 17, 2021 13:58:27 GMT 1
I just went onto the OCC and picked a random chart week in 1958. Looking down the top 30, most of them you know are not one-hit wonders, I mean Everly Brothers, Elvis Presley, Dean Martin and others on the list. You must have terrible knowledge of music if you ever considered they might be.
Statements like that are why I am out!! Of course we know some of the greatest acts ever like Elvis had multiple hits and can rule them out straight away but we don't have the luxury of looking up every chart between 1952-1961 to accurately enter a song we might consider the best of that era so everyone in my boat will enter a "lazy" song by picking a month of one year and selecting the best of them 4 weeks they listened too and like i said originally the gulf between casual music fans and hardcore chart fans will be too large to generate any interest, you don't want to hear it so this is the last time I'm saying it. And "terrible knowledge of music" and "terrible knowledge of what obscure acts charted once that are eligible according to Earl Puple's very specific one hit wonder rules" are very different things, I have a brilliant knowledge of music but i don't define it by chart position, I notice you miss thousands of brilliant well known songs that are deemed some of the best songs ever created from your retro charts and curent charts when you did them just because they didn't chart in the top 100 or don't have a video. For example in 1978 where are... Marmalade - Talking in your sleep Rush - Cinderella Man Sammy Hagar - You make me crazy/Turn up the music Tubeway Army - Thats Too Bad Slade - Give us a goal Blue Oyster Cult - Godzilla Cheap Trick - So Good to see you/Surrender Strawbs - New Beginnings Ramones - Do You Wanna Dance?/Cretin Hop Jethro Tull - Moths Van Halen - Jamies Cryin Heart - Without You Ufo - Cherry Misfits - Bullet / attitude / we are 138 Shoes - Tomorrow Night The Kinks - Live Life /in a foreign land Not everyone's knowledge or love of music is the same, your meant to be creating a contest that plays to the strengths and actually interests the contestants so they want to take part, not alienate the biggest music fans and put off the casuals!
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Post by TheThorne on Jun 17, 2021 14:34:01 GMT 1
I can be a participant in 50s or 60s Time Machine, but will not join in any one-hit wonder contest. Your participation in Time Machine 70s depends on your commitment to HF, which we will see in a few weeks.
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Post by Earl Purple on Jun 17, 2021 16:58:21 GMT 1
What does the way I make my 1978 retro chart playlist have to do with a one-hit wonder idol contest?
By the way, Tubeway Army should sort-of count as a one-hit wonder as it isn't simply Gary Numan, but I guess Gary Numan frequently included "Are Friends Electric" when he played live, and if there was a best-of album it would have been on it, so I'd probably not allow it.
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Post by Shireblogger on Jun 17, 2021 17:07:33 GMT 1
By the way, Tubeway Army should sort-of count as a one-hit wonder as it isn't simply Gary Numan, but I guess Gary Numan frequently included "Are Friends Electric" when he played live, and if there was a best-of album it would have been on it, so I'd probably not allow it. Sounds like you haven't really thought this through properly. Seems like anyone who does choose to participate could waste days researching their entries, only for you to disqualify them based on some arbitrary criteria or a personal whim.
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Post by Razzle Dazzle on Jun 17, 2021 17:24:06 GMT 1
Well you count any music that doesn't chart as if it doesn't exist then spend your time pretty much just re-ordering the UK singles chart ignoring hundreds of thousands of great songs, I think that shows a "terrible knowledge of music".
You think not knowing the charts from the 1950s well enough to pick out 1 hit wonders shows a "terrible knowledge of music"
It was more of a reply to your dig than to your contest idea, I was simply trying to help by pointing out the flaws in a one hit wonder contest, there is one person who enjoys 50's music on Haven and that's you, as for the one hit element it is time consuming, I tried explaining why and you gave that "terrible knowledge of music" reply so I'm done helping
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Post by Earl Purple on Jun 17, 2021 17:27:32 GMT 1
There have to be rules, primarily what qualifies as a one-hit wonder and there are borderline cases like Tubeway Army - are they considered a one-hit wonder or just Gary Numan under a group name?
If they were a bona-fide group why have British Hit Singles always put them together, they don't normally do that with groups and individual members.
Many solo artists play songs live that they made with the previous band. Liam Gallagher plays Oasis songs, Paul McCartney plays Beatles songs and others followed. I saw Morrissey live in 1995 and the set included a couple of Smiths songs.
Most of the time it's straightforward.
Tin Machine had one top 40 hit, and therefore they qualify, even though David Bowie was the lead singer and had many hits outside the band. And British Hit Singles doesn't list them under David Bowie. Whether anyone wants to play it or not depends of they think it's a good choice, but if they did, I'd certainly allow it.
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Post by Shireblogger on Jun 17, 2021 17:36:34 GMT 1
There have to be rules, primarily what qualifies as a one-hit wonder and there are borderline cases like Tubeway Army - are they considered a one-hit wonder or just Gary Numan under a group name? If they were a bona-fide group why have British Hit Singles always put them together, they don't normally do that with groups and individual members. Many solo artists play songs live that they made with the previous band. Liam Gallagher plays Oasis songs, Paul McCartney plays Beatles songs and others followed. I saw Morrissey live in 1995 and the set included a couple of Smiths songs. Most of the time it's straightforward. Tin Machine had one top 40 hit, and therefore they qualify, even though David Bowie was the lead singer and had many hits outside the band. And British Hit Singles doesn't list them under David Bowie. Whether anyone wants to play it or not depends of they think it's a good choice, but if they did, I'd certainly allow it. In one hour you have moved from "different recording name" to "maybe include, maybe exclude depending on whether it was included in a random live set" to "let Tim Rice and Paul Gambaccini decide". That looks like a recipe for confusion, frustration and a huge amount of wasted time to me.
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