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Post by Paddy on May 25, 2012 11:34:35 GMT 1
interviews used to be when there were 5 left, iirc? and next week is not interviews.
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Post by Jordan on May 25, 2012 11:42:50 GMT 1
Maybe the interviews will just be the final when they reveal their business plans.
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Post by Robin on May 25, 2012 22:01:42 GMT 1
I think that was how it happened last year
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Post by Tom on May 27, 2012 18:05:18 GMT 1
I think that was how it happened last year Yes, did wonder how they were going to do it too until suddenly remembering that. Assuming the final is going to be next Sunday too, they've got the Final Five show on Tuesday this coming week. Wasn't actually surprised with the double firing, as when I looked at the clock at one point and saw there were still 10 mins left i did feel there was drama to come!
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Post by Robin on May 31, 2012 11:46:09 GMT 1
Adam was almost certain to go from the second the team lost. He was uncomfortable doing the pitch and what was with the cough and the writing all over his hands! I'd expect better from an office junior, nevermind a so called business professional! Still, he had a good run!
Jade made Nick look pretty weak and feeble in the boardroom, I don't think that performance helped his chances much. I guess it all comes down to the business plans then. Can't wait for Sunday!!
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Post by Jordan on May 31, 2012 12:31:39 GMT 1
Jade really fought well for her place in the boardroom on last nights show. Definitely deserves her place in the final based on the last task, and I think she's been more well rounded than Nick and Adam throughout too. Agree with you Robin about Nick coming off quite badly too, and it makes me question how well he's performed in previous weeks. Nothing's really standing out to me. Ricky and Tom did a really good job too. They may have been less creative, but I think they made up for that by having a solid business concept, which is probably harder to develop in such a short space of time than a whole product line. It's going to be an interesting final anyway
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Post by Paul on May 31, 2012 12:49:33 GMT 1
I am amazed that people are dismissing Nick so easily. He has been rock solid throughout, and has demonstrated strong leadership in each task he was PM. It's not about being very impressive throughout the tasks anymore; it's about showing that you can be competent and capable to make business decisions and to lead. Ultimately it's all about the business plan.
And that's what makes it very hard to call, because clearly the best four have made it to the end. It's certainly much better than the train wreck final four from last year.
If I had to call a winner now, I'd be leaning towards Tom. But it could be any of them.
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Post by Hitstastic on May 31, 2012 13:00:10 GMT 1
Last years series was hopeless. It's clear from the start that the winner has been chosen before any tasks are sert in week 1. How else can Lord Sugar justify "hiring" Tom last year over Helen? Helen - the one who had been by far the most consistant throughout and sadly only let it slip in the final when she quickly backtracked her final idea to something more suitable. Tom, on the other hand, had the best (or at least the most potential) with his business plan. However, he crumbled on so many occasions throughout several tasks. It was a real "wtf?" moment seeing him get to the final. I rememeber talking to some of my work collagues who watch The Apprentice each year without fail. Last year, I joked that Tom would be the dark house thinking to myself he's got no chance. When Tom won over Helen, that said everything about what's wrong now with The Apprentice. All I know is that when Lord Sugar reveals who has won, all the viewers will go "WHAT?!!!". Like they do every year. Great TV. (terrible for business - see Lee, winner of 2008 series)
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Post by Paul on May 31, 2012 13:10:50 GMT 1
Helen was ridiculously overrated. Her backtrack on the business plan showed her naivety.
Susan's actual business plan was probably the best, but she was just as bad as Tom in the tasks.
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Post by Maximo Mark on May 31, 2012 21:27:40 GMT 1
People who say Helen should've won last year clearly have very little understanding of the prize that was on offer. If Alan Sugar had chosen her as winner he may as well have chucked his investment down the drain, it was hilarious that someone who'd performed so strongly could've come up with something so utterly useless and laughable, her backtracking to another idea was incredibly cheap and underhand too.
Tom or Susan were more deserving winners based on what the actual prize was, and he invested in both of them. Tom's range pf files has launched and has been incredibly successful so far, and Susan is developing something too.
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Post by Thor on Jun 1, 2012 9:54:48 GMT 1
Last years series was hopeless. It's clear from the start that the winner has been chosen before any tasks are sert in week 1. How else can Lord Sugar justify "hiring" Tom last year over Helen? Helen - the one who had been by far the most consistant throughout and sadly only let it slip in the final when she quickly backtracked her final idea to something more suitable. Tom, on the other hand, had the best (or at least the most potential) with his business plan. However, he crumbled on so many occasions throughout several tasks. It was a real "wtf?" moment seeing him get to the final. I rememeber talking to some of my work collagues who watch The Apprentice each year without fail. Last year, I joked that Tom would be the dark house thinking to myself he's got no chance. When Tom won over Helen, that said everything about what's wrong now with The Apprentice. All I know is that when Lord Sugar reveals who has won, all the viewers will go "WHAT?!!!". Like they do every year. Great TV. (terrible for business - see Lee, winner of 2008 series) LOL this is precisely why they have lost me as a viewer. I always thought he picked the wrong people each series but last series it felt as if the tasks had absolutely no bearing on the final result.
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Post by Thor on Jun 1, 2012 9:58:10 GMT 1
People who say Helen should've won last year clearly have very little understanding of the prize that was on offer. If Alan Sugar had chosen her as winner he may as well have chucked his investment down the drain, it was hilarious that someone who'd performed so strongly could've come up with something so utterly useless and laughable, her backtracking to another idea was incredibly cheap and underhand too. Tom or Susan were more deserving winners based on what the actual prize was, and he invested in both of them. Tom's range pf files has launched and has been incredibly successful so far, and Susan is developing something too. I agree with what you're saying but why have the tasks at all if they are ignored in the final decision? On many of the tasks it seemed obvious that Tom was only being kept in because of his business plan which made the whole process utterly pointless! They've essentially turned it into a drawn out Dragons' Den.
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Post by Jordan on Jun 1, 2012 13:05:35 GMT 1
I'd be so much happier if they just brought back the old format. The business partner charade doesn't do it for me.
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Post by Maximo Mark on Jun 1, 2012 19:14:54 GMT 1
People who say Helen should've won last year clearly have very little understanding of the prize that was on offer. If Alan Sugar had chosen her as winner he may as well have chucked his investment down the drain, it was hilarious that someone who'd performed so strongly could've come up with something so utterly useless and laughable, her backtracking to another idea was incredibly cheap and underhand too. Tom or Susan were more deserving winners based on what the actual prize was, and he invested in both of them. Tom's range pf files has launched and has been incredibly successful so far, and Susan is developing something too. I agree with what you're saying but why have the tasks at all if they are ignored in the final decision? On many of the tasks it seemed obvious that Tom was only being kept in because of his business plan which made the whole process utterly pointless! They've essentially turned it into a drawn out Dragons' Den. I don't disagree with you at all, the prize of the show changed to be something completely different but the whole format of the show didn't change. Therefore they made it come across as though Helen should win, and in any other series she would've won and no one could argue with the decision, but in terms of the prize on offer there's no way anyone would've given that prize to Helen. If in the first week they had to present their business plans to Lord Sugar she'd have been out straight away, and no one would've had any complaints, they'd have just laughed at the stupidity of the idea. The whole task process no is no longer relevant to the actual prize anymore, it has made it far more of an entertainment show than ever before and it is why I haven't been anywhere near as bothered with it this year. Perhaps they should do some kind of X-Factor like process? 30-40 candidates present their ideas to Lord Sugar and his panel and then he picks the 10-12 he'd most happily invest in. Then they do the whole thing as normal, with the best performer getting the investment.
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Post by Tom on Jun 3, 2012 11:20:53 GMT 1
The whole task process no is no longer relevant to the actual prize anymore, it has made it far more of an entertainment show than ever before and it is why I haven't been anywhere near as bothered with it this year. I've seen comments saying the same about the tasks not being relevant. Interesting you say that it being more of an entertainment show this time, this year i've noticed they've focused a bit more on the contestants in the house. It would be interesting to know what Lord Sugar thinks about that as he didn't like how 2006 series 2 (wasn't watching back then) came across at all, to the point where in his autobiography (well worth getting btw if you're an Apprentice fan) that series is the only one where he didn't include a photo of the winner. I'm not even sure he mentions who the winner was. Interesting watching the Final Five show, on there Tom and Nick came across as the strongest with Jade and Adam the weakest and Ricky somewhere in between. Jade definitely was lucky to have got that far, but she deserved to make the final on the last task. Was a bit disappointed with Nick on the last task but still very much in the running. Based on the trailer for the the final and reading about Lord Sugar's reaction to one of the business plans right at the start of the show, tonight is going to be well worth watching! Nothing to do with any of that and without giving anything away I may already know of one of them not winning tonight though...
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Post by Paul on Jun 4, 2012 9:00:10 GMT 1
It would be interesting to know what Lord Sugar thinks about that as he didn't like how 2006 series 2 (wasn't watching back then) came across at all, to the point where in his autobiography (well worth getting btw if you're an Apprentice fan) that series is the only one where he didn't include a photo of the winner. I'm not even sure he mentions who the winner was. It's that more to do with how terrible the series 2 winner was (Michelle Dewberry, rather than the amazing Ruth Badger) rather than the series itself? Decent enough final. None of the ideas were absolutely farcical unlike last year. I'm not surprised that Lord Sugar took the safe option with Ricky. But there were other applications of both Nick and Jade's business plans that could have been spelled out more.
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Post by Paul on Jun 4, 2012 9:10:01 GMT 1
Just discovered that Ricky Martin won an episode of Total Wipeout!
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Post by Da Quen B on Jun 4, 2012 12:00:51 GMT 1
Based on business plans, Ricky was a deserving winner, especially given that he was able to impress Claude. Toms sounded a bit too ambitious which probably nudged him into second place.
Jades call centre idea put me off her - I hate these people who phone up trying to sell you things or trying to get info to flog to others who will phone you up and sell you things. 15 years ago this might have been a good concept. That aside there were too many holes in it.
Nicks was utterly ridiculous and the only use he would have been would be if the boardroom needed a good mopping and the cleaner wasn't allowed to buy a one. He should never have got as far as the final anyway.
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Post by Jordan on Jun 4, 2012 15:13:16 GMT 1
A bit gutted that Tom didn't win tbh. But from the sounds of it, the two best business plans were in the final.
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Post by Razzle Dazzle on Jun 4, 2012 16:05:02 GMT 1
jades business plan was insane, buy peoples details and bombard them with phone calls, invading their privacy, what made her think alan sugar would want to put his name to something so seedy and cringe worthy
tom had a good idea if only it was scaled down but he then said it would be impossible to scale down, the total had to be 25m or it wouldn't work so he couldnt win based on the fact it was a huge risk and one that probably would end up tits up
nick, i liked the thought of it but the more details he gave the less inspired the idea seemed, maybe something asda or tesco or whatever other retailer has online delivery these days should look at incorporating it into their websites but as a business model it just wouldnt attract the people
ricky obviously had the best plan and was faultless in the grilling really, he was passionate, it was his industry so he knew what he needed to do and say to get people to believe in it. so yeah the right guy won in the end
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